Some Ohio teachers 'terrified' over new bill allowing educators to carry guns

I justify allowing concealed carry but not open carry because there is IMO a bona-fide and unnecessary distraction as well as other human factors to open carry in schools by basically random people. Concealed carry will be fine (public schools)

If you can just walk right into your local school without even checking in, your school has a serious problem that needs addressed right now, immediately, and it’s about far more than guns. I’m glad to say that would absolutely not fly here. And I know this in practice for a variety of reasons not just because it’s the policy. Now is the time to speak up about that.

A good and actual compromise may be that Constitutional carry doesn’t get to carry in schools but those who get a permit and get certified training, can, so long as it’s concealed. That way there isn’t a lightning rod for the detractors, there isn’t that distraction, and would be attackers will as it should be never really know who might shoot back

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How about uniformed armed private security at each entrance plus roving patrols at athletic fields and parking lots?

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I think it is alright if the teachers are trained proper.

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I am not sure I understand your point. The topic is CC by teachers.

If the “armed educators” approach doesn’t pan out, the enforced option could be military, law enforcement, para-military, private security, et al. Plenty there to be terrified about it would seem to me. At least with armed educators there should be some predilection toward the safety of students and faculty.

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Good point.

Sarcasm: How about a SWAT team stationed at each and every school, or a national guard team?

How did we ever let it get to this, this bad?

Gotta start somewhere? What are we willing to give up, not give up?

I’m not sure if UK (Kentucky) is still doing this but the university used to allow any and all police officers in uniform free admission to all ball games the university held. The basketball games used to be jam packed with police, haha.

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I would gladly give my time to protect a school. I will not give up my 2A rights!

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I blame Oprah/Springer, giving these “people” a big stage and sucker us into it by calling it entertainment. We have the same problem with video games and online un-social media. Human’s don’t learn.

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It’s not that bad.

Certain groups and entities choose to portray it as such, is all. Seemingly due to an agenda.

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I’ve heard lots of creative ideas from this online community. That’s pretty cool.

Given the complexity of the problem, could a trained volunteer team be a viable resource to help safeguard the children? Such as parents, as a “watch group” “outside” the school, on the ground.

Emphasis on training, so that parents have good judgement and are careful themselves, not to over-react, though.

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I’d pass on that option.

Properly run I don’t think that would be of benefit unless it was literally a guy carrying a rifle coming up to the school which is extremely unlikely/rare as is, and, I think, can be properly handled with proper procedures and protocols from existing school staff.

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It seems to be working for churches.

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Agreed, Jerzy. That should be the first thing they do. Having actual trained gun carriers in every school may stop many of the shootings either early or altogether.
Next should be getting all the psychotic kids and adults into counseling or asylums so they’re not going around killing people any more. (What’s the socially acceptable name for asylums these days, “psychiatric hospital”?) The Left really does need to send out their S.W.A.T. TEAMS. (Social Workers and Therapists)
Third might be to seek out new teachers who support the 2nd Amendment. They’d be willing to sacrifice themselves (if necessary) to protect the kids under their care, while the Leftist teachers now in schools will not.

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So, Shamrock, there are 526 unintentional deaths and 43k injuries from firearms each year. There are 618 hammer and clubbing deaths each year, so you’re 17% more apt to be killed by a hammer than accidentally by a firearm. Considering that there are THREE HUNDRED MILLION (I’d be willing to bet that the real number is double that) firearms in the US, those are fairly low numbers. Playground equipment causes 234,093 accidents and 4 deaths each year. My money is on the safest bet is to allow teachers or school staff to carry firearms to protect the kids.

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Just 30 more states and we’re golden!

I’m all for armed staff in schools as long as they are well trained and vetted. It would only take a couple of high profile accidents or kids getting their hands on teachers guns for the anti gunners to put an end to armed staff. Others may disagree but I know I was much safer handling a firearm after I got some proper training than I was before. Our kids deserve the safest learning environment possible.

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Parents could be involved, but not at the school their child attends. Training not likely to override parental instinct. Could go horribly wrong.

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I can see that logic, but at the same time, having your own child in the school might be what gives one the courage to go in and seek out the shooter, which seems to be something cops have problems with sometimes when they don’t have kids in the school of their own

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It turned out, Uvalde cops had the courage problem even with their own kids in that school.

When will people accept they’ve got NO ONE to defend them during absolutely critical first seconds, minutes. Not because cops may be bad, but because impossible! Instead they push responsibility for their own life to increasingly smaller number of people (like 1 SRO for the whole school), or those who are more remote, or have greater response time.
Have they considered a local SWAT team may be busy at a distant location with a 2nd active shooter? Or that somehow communications with the PD is cut or 911 system is down. The society keeps building these unreliable defenses, they keep failing, but noone learns from it.

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