Should we arm selected teachers or allow teachers to carry who have gone through specific training?

“How Stuff Works” isn’t what I would consider an authority on constitutional law, nor an “authority” in general.

The full middle third of the first page reads:

"However, the law also recognizes that children aren’t physically and emotionally mature enough to handle the responsibility attached to legal activities like drinking, let alone the right to vote or run for public office. The law reconciles these two ideas by implementing ages of majority designed to define when a person has the ability to exercise his or her rights responsibly. These usually vary by state, but they govern everything from the right to drive to the right to marry.

There are some exceptions, however. In the juvenile justice system, for example, children don’t receive bail, nor are they tried by juries of their peers."

That’s a lot of agreement with my position.

Page two continues the same theme - children do not have the same constitutional rights as adults.

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Joe Biden apparently armed his D.Ed wife with a shotgun

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@John292,
Brother this is some funny stuff. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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I live and grew up in the south, in a rural community. In high school I had the opportunity to take a skeet shooting class, which of course began with a somewhat extensive safety and general usage class, before moving outside to shoot some clay targets. We had to have a signed permission slip, then were allowed 10 shots with a 20ga. Many of my classmates were hunters with there fathers, brothers ECT and would show up with not only guns but kills from early morning hunts. I gladly support the school system banning guns at school as so many won’t take responsibility for what they say much less their actions. While I viewed this as a positive experience, I was glad it was over before my kids went to school. We have had teachers carry for as far back as I can remember. Even in elementary school we had a couple of teachers that had a sidearm. I trusted in the school to protect my children and was glad to know teachers were armed.

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Correct, anyone that has a ccp can carry at a school. They don’t need to tell anyone.

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So in a lot of states there are gun free zones and signs. For instance, when your walking into a gas station, you’d see a no shoes, no shirt, no service sign you could also see a gun with a circle around it and a line through it. I think you’d be legally bound to respect that sign. Schools are declared one of these zones making it illegal to possess a firearm within that zone. That means the teachers would need special permissions, on top of their permit to conceal, to Trump that law. Maybe a special permit or exemption. At a cost of course. Different states have different tolerances, which is fine I think as long as people can freely travel between different states. Which… We… Couldn’t for a minute there…

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Well, we all know that criminals obey signs and laws… someday we’ll all understand what the democrats already know. :rofl:.

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If Stop Signs worked then GFZ Signs would also.
Heck, people can’t maneuver a Roundabout out here without their being chaos.

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It does seem like announcing something like gun free zone is a lot like a police commissioner coming out and announcing they won’t be prosecuting or arresting petty crimes. An invitation to criminals.

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I think some of the teachers are already trained to carry and should be able to protect the kids and themself. A lot of the mass shootings in the schools could have been prevented if the teachers were armed.

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Three years ago I attended a school board meeting for our local school district. This was right after a school shooting in Florida. I stressed how our school buildings were ticking time bombs with no means of stopping a killer from walking right in to any of our buildings. I also mentioned that we are only five miles from Dearborn, MI which, according to the FBI, has cells from nearly every terrorist group known imbedded there. I indicated that I was an Army combat veteran, retiring in 6 months, and would be happy to spend my days in a school as an armed guard ( for the price of lunch in the cafeteria) and I have spoken to other veterans who would do the same if approved. They looked at me like I had three heads. Then they dismissed me and got on to the real business on the evening’s schedule… the up coming Donkey Basketball game.
Schools are run by people, the likes of which us common folk will never understand.

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The protections afforded by the Constitution (& 2nd Amendment) are not selective among Citizens of our Republic.

Any American (teacher or otherwise) who has their Constitutional Protections in place - shall, as per the Constitution, carry what they want, how they want and where they want without Infringement by Government.

No level of Government (Federal, State or Local) has the authority to tell us What we carry, How we carry and least of all Where we carry. Period. We need to fix this sooner rather than later. Somehow somewhere down the line these gross Infringements have been allowed to pass and stand - we need to return to Constitutional Governance.

Yes, Joe B. … the Constitution is absolute - and no matter how many Black Robed figures interpret the Earth as flat, that does not mean it isn’t Round.

Stop the Infringement
Black Rifles Matter
Slings Save Lives

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To me the answer is “of course!” There should be enough training for each teacher to know his/her own limitations. They certainly DO NOT have to be expert shots. Of course carrying should always be voluntary but should be open to all staff, teachers and teacher aids.
NOW, about class room carry with older students, physically big and strong students. The chance of a student attacking a teacher and causeing a disarming increases. This must be dealt with in some way. Maybe only staff carries or the gun in the class room is locked up with teacher access. In the high schools I would like to see carbines locked in staff offices after proper training. Again, only on a volunteer basis.
All in all, this would not require lots of training, maybe 10 hours of class and 5 hours of gun safety/handling/shooting plus a qualification and re-qualification similar to LEO requirements. I think the schools should pay for the training.
We should not ask anyone to go after a killer, but only to defend the classroom.

I have known 21+++ year olds who should not carry a gun, hot headed, opinionated, ready to tell the world what to do and don’t do. I have known 16 year olds who can and do show respect, make good decisions, keep their word, work hard, etc. Yes they could carry a gun as safely as the average adult.
Please don’t paint all 21- year olds and 21+ year olds with a foot wide paint brush.
All are individuals and I know many 18-21 year olds who I would gladly have in my company while they are carrying.

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A couple of thoughts. First I can only speak to where I live. In Los Angeles County the teacher’s union would never allow a teacher to carry any type of firearm. They are to tree hugging liberal for that.
Second, the teachers themselves would mostly never carry. They would rather teach our kids how bad American is and how good socialism is!

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I teach in Kansas. Kansas allows the districts to decide if teachers can carry. However, the insurance carrier in Kansas has said, “no.” As such, no teachers carry legally. By comparison, Utah addressed the situation differently. Instead of the “district may allow” as seen in Kansas, Utah passed “district may not forbid.” Teachers in Utah a required to keep their firearm concealed. Incredibly enough, this has not resulted in any great catastrophe.

So, now you know another teacher who would carry if it were legal. However, I would attend a training course. There are several for teachers. That brings up a direction I would like to see the issue of teacher firearm training to go, real and appropriate firearm training for teachers. I am not asking for three days of, “don’t shoot your students.” I would like to see marksmanship coaching and training focused on shooting in chaotic situations.

While I see it as essential that the training be available and affordable, I would like to see those teachers also trained to the basic EMT standard. Yes, this training would eat a better part of a summer; however, it would be a direction toward a teacher first responder certification.

As you can see, I am not entirely in favour of Utah’s “sure, you can carry a gun” policy. Then, I am not in favour of “no guns” either. I want to see training that is appropriate, available, and affordable. I will tell you that my research has shown that there are teacher firearm courses available. The next step is to decide on a minimum level of training, ensuring it is, as I have said several times, appropriate, available, and affordable and to then allow those teachers to be armed.

That said, when the subject was broached, the local school board members went off on the generalized fear of teachers shooting the students. As far as the teachers, as expected, a small number hold that teachers should not be armed. Most hold that it should be the teachers choice. Some are armed; interestingly enough, those who are armed are all women. There is a reality that our society treats women, unlawfully armed, differently than it does men. I even had one teacher comment to me that if there were ever a school shooting and I were in her room (I sub for other teachers, during my plan period, a lot), that I should break onto her locked desk drawer.

My principal is aware that I frequently do shooting on my weekends. One Sunday while I was working (at my district it is normal for teachers to be working a few hours on either Saturday or Sunday) she was talking to me in the hallway. As she was talking to me she kept looking t the pouch holster that I frequently carry my pistol in, I did not have the pistol in it at that time. However, later that day she came to my classroom and asked “Mr [Hasaf], do you carry a gun at school?” To which I answered, “no.” She then asked, “if things were to go very bad, could I rely on you being able to ‘find’ a gun?” I also answered, no." She was clearly disappointed by that answer.

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I think everyone over 18 should be allowed to carry everywhere. So, yes…

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Maybe ask the parents of the unprotected children slaughtered at Sandy Hook?

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Many of those parents seem to think that disarming law abiding citizens is the answer. I would rather base these decisions on well thought out logic than trauma induced emotions.

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I am a teacher and I work in a rough neighborhood, gang tags, police cars patrolling in sets of 5-6 cars…in order to get a license we have to have training. I have also been trained with a Navy Seal, SAS, and will be completing further training in a 6 month course with both. I believe we should be allowed to CC on campus…for our personal safety going to and leaving work and to be able to be the line of defense should anyone access the school and my class. I think the biggest fear everyone has, is that 1% unstable people but there are tests for that.

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