It can be done, using baggy sweatpants. Though I cannot find the video, it had some teens demonstrating the technique at a gas station to another group of teens.
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Why would you be liable just because you used a rifle?
All else equal, active shooter, you stop the threat legally applying necessary and justified force and you hit the threat, and stop the threat, without harming anyone else…all the good things…why would you be liable just because you used a rifle?
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Is it illegal to bring a rifle to a mall? If it doesn’t specifically say it in the law that the rifle is not allowed, then there shouldn’t be a problem.
Guess you should just not carry a gun then because apparently YOU BOUGHT THE GUN TO KILL SOMEBODY! OMG.
I don’t listen to lawyer arguments. They’re nonsense.
The lawyer will say this and that and the other about your case that have nothing to do with it.
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You sound like a client who is looking for a lawyer to validate the legal conclusion the client has already reached rather than a client who is asking for legal advice. Of course, when you are charged with a crime, your YouTube University law degree won’t help much. That’s the sort of client any lawyer worth their salt will stay away from.
It all comes down to a judge, jury and prosecutor asking whether your actions were reasonable given the facts of a shooting. And, you get to pay for the privilege of going through that process, an ordeal you could have avoided by: (1) not going to a mall you believe is so dangerous that it requires a rifle to navigate; or (2) carrying a reasonable handgun to protect yourself.
Of course, if you want to be THE test case for whether it’s OK to lug around a concealed rifle 'cause you’re deathly afraid of what might happen in a mall, but can’t resist going to the mall, then go for it and see what happens. I’m pretty sure that if a cop saw you enter a mall with a concealed rifle you’d have an interesting, intense encounter with law enforcement. But, good luck finding a competent lawyer you can afford.
What is the difference between talking about “a mall so dangerous it requires a rifle to navigate” and “a mall so dangerous is requires a gun to navigate”?
Perhaps if one were to carry a rifle around and use it, they will be looked at more closely, and perhaps they will be prosecuted despite acting legally and justifiably, and perhaps even they might be found guilty because the bias jury doesn’t like evil scary looking modern sporting rifles (or whatever we want to call them)…or perhaps you will live instead of dying because you had a rifle and perhaps other people will too because you stopped the psycho mass shooter.
Lots of varibles.
Up to each individual to decide what is best for them.
Rough optics is certainly something to consider if one wants to carry a rifle. Because basically nobody carries a rifle.
Because carrying a rifle is very impractical. If it were practical, we’d do it.
I still don’t like the “if it’s so dangerous to ___” logic because that is still the exact same thing the anti gun people say about carrying a gun to begin with. If it’s so dangerous out there you need a GUN, don’t go…I say have the most effective tool you can…a rifle is more effective…unfortunately it’s pretty difficult to conceal an actual rifle in under a tshirt lol
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Try it. See what happens. Maybe you can use the computer in the jail’s law library to tell everyone what happened. You just want someone to agree with the legal conclusion you’ve made. You’re not interested in legal advice that is contrary to your position; you simply want validation of your position. Reasonable lawyers stay away from those clients.
I fully intend not to have to engage an active shooter. Definitely not looking to try that, with a handgun or with a rifle or with anything else.
Though, if I did want to carry a rifle to the mall concealed in a backpack in my state, it would be legal.
Practicality isn’t great though and odds of it making the difference are minuscule
As a reminder, this was my first response, snipped to the rifle part
"I have to say, I don’t recall seeing people advocating carrying a concealed AR for an active shooter event. If I did see someone advocate that, I’d have a lot of questions. Like how, and why. I mean if they want to, alright, go for it…but those shooter situations are incredibly rare, for one thing. For another, in such a situation, if you have a rifle in your hand, somewhere that’s legal (even if against rules) to carry…I’d expect to get shot…having a rifle in your hand with an ‘active shooter’ situation you are pretty much going to look like the shooter. A handgun I think less so…though still possibly…but you can probably draw the handgun much faster and move in a way that you look less like a shooter, while still having the handgun pretty ready
I agree that carrying an AR type rifle around concealed would seem…well it would raise some eyebrows of people who are like…but why? Not that there is anything wrong with it.
You dont’ necessarily have to be defending yourself (check local laws) if you are defending a third party…depending.
I’m not a lawyer."
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Want legal advice, stay at home, don’t own guns, call the police, and don’t go outside.
That’s about as good advice you’re going to get.
Little risk to any legal trouble.
Don’t want to go to jail and risk homicide charges? Don’t carry a gun.
At all.
As far as I’m concerned it doesn’t matter what type of gun I used, what matters is how I used it.
I’m the client that’s looking for a lawyer to help defend my actions.
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I think @Mark697 and @Nathan57 have reasonable perspectives on this issue. This is the kind of dialog that makes people think.
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True, but we really need a cage match to decide the winner. 
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You think it’s reasonable to take out a mass shooter with body armor, with pistol ammo?
I think it’s reasonable to assume that the vast majority of concealed carriers are not going to be carrying a rifle around with them. Even if they are it is likely to be out in their vehicle or carried in a way that will be much slower to deploy than a pistol.
So in the incredibly unlikely event that they encounter a mass shooter their options will almost certainly be some combination of running, hiding or engaging the shooter with a pistol.
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It’s hard to argue about what’s reasonable using an extreme example.
I’m not for or against carrying an AR pistol.
What would a reasonable person carry on a regular basis?
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As is often the case, “it depends”
Even though it seems untenable, I know reasonable people who don’t carry any firearm on a regular basis. I think a reasonable person could perhaps carry an AR pistol or even SBR (legal in some states), or folded down rifle or pistol caliber carbine, etc, regularly. But…not many are going to be willing to put forth that effort for the extraordinarily low odds of needing it.
Like, I bet if the numbers were ran, you’d be more likely to die in a car wreck on the way to the mall than there be a mass shooting while you’re there…let alone having a rifle making the difference.
So, yeah, I’m not doing it. Nothing against people who want to, but…I haven’t met one yet.
So I have a foot on both side of this.
Nothing wrong with it, more power to you if you do, it could help, but…I’m not seeing the ROI
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You would be surprised.
There’s already 2 lawyers out there advocating for you to not carry a tourniquet/Med kit and be trained on how to use it.
“Because if you shoot someone, and you don’t help them, you’re guilty cause you wanted them to die!”
So let’s say you follow that attorneys advice.
You get yourself in a self defense incident, after the incident the bad guy has ran away, and your wife is on the ground bleeding out. Now your wife dies while the police show up to secure the scene, before the paramedics arrive.
By listening to their advice, YOU got your wife killed, which causes more trouble than just “legal” trouble. You have to live with that.
That is why I don’t listen to lawyer arguments. If it’s not against the law, I don’t want my lawyer telling me what he wants or not want me to do, I want him to defend and explain with reason, as to why a reasonable would do as I did. I don’t care about the “don’t carry a pink gun” or don’t use hollow point ammunition, they’ll say it’s cop killer bullets, and stupid ■■■■.
Go back to the facts of the case and what I am legally allowed to do, and what I’m not legally allowed to do.
There’s even lawyers going around saying don’t keep a round in the chamber, don’t carry your gun in the car put it in the trunk.
Screw lawyer garbage.
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I don’t believe I said that. I believe I said that both of those two men had perspectives that were worth considering.
As I’ve stated elsewhere on this forum, I think I can learn something from everyone and I try to do that. I have learned much from both of these men.
My post was meant to show appreciation for and encouragement to both of them.
If by trying to be gentlemanly, positive, or encouraging I’ve said something tactically deficient, please let me know if I can help clarify or further explain where I’m coming from. And correct me if I am mistaken.
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I’m pretty sure that is a click bait title, and not actual advice to not carry first aid gear or be trained in first aid
They also had a video titled “stop training”, if I recall…
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