Ruh Roe! Germany’s Gun Ban - a Warning Shot for the West

In Germany, owning guns is a privilege that can be taken away—not for breaking the law, but for holding the wrong political opinion.

Members and supporters of the right-leaning Alternative für Deutschland (AfD) party are now facing mass gun license revocations. The reason? The German government has labeled the AfD a “right-wing extremist” group—a political designation that suddenly makes its members “unreliable” under the country’s gun laws. And just like that, firearms must be surrendered or destroyed.

If that sounds outrageous, it should. But it’s not surprising.

Here in the U.S., we’ve already seen our own political establishment flirt with these kinds of tactics. Remember when New York’s then-Governor Andrew Cuomo said pro-gun conservatives “have no place” in his state? Or when San Francisco’s Board of Supervisors labeled the NRA a “domestic terrorist organization”? Label first. Punish later.

That’s the playbook being used in Germany right now. And it’s worth paying attention to.

Government Labels a Popular Opposition Party “Extremist”—Then Comes the Crackdown

In 2021, Germany’s domestic intelligence agency, the Bundesamt für Verfassungsschutz (BfV), designated the entire AfD as a “suspected threat to democracy.” That move allowed the government to surveil, wiretap, and investigate the party and its members.

It didn’t stop there.

Courts have now upheld revoking gun licenses from AfD members, based solely on their political affiliation. In one case, a couple in North Rhine-Westphalia lost legal ownership of over 200 firearms. They weren’t criminals. They weren’t accused of wrongdoing. They were just AfD members.

Another court in Thuringia blocked a blanket gun ban for all AfD members—but left the door wide open for revocations on a case-by-case basis.

In Saxony-Anhalt, officials are reviewing the gun licenses of 109 AfD members. As of last fall, 72 had already been targeted for revocation, with the rest under active review. The justification? Supporting a party the state now claims is “working against the constitutional order.”

And the courts are backing it up. According to a March 2024 ruling, former or current AfD supporters “lack the reliability” required to legally own firearms.

Why the AfD’s Platform Sounds Familiar to American Ears

You don’t have to support the AfD to see the dangerous precedent here. In fact, many of their stated positions would be right at home in American politics:

  • Support for limited government and individual liberty
  • Stronger penalties for violent crime
  • Calls for unbiased law enforcement and judicial independence
  • Opposition to political censorship
  • A demand for simple, fair taxes for middle- and low-income citizens

On gun rights, their platform is clear: “A liberal and constitutional state has to trust its citizens… The AfD opposes any form of restrictions of civil rights by tightening firearms legislation.”

Sound extreme to you? Or does that sound like something a lot of Americans already believe?

European Values, or Political Weaponization?

At the 2024 Munich Security Conference, U.S. Senator J.D. Vance warned European leaders that the real threat to democracy wasn’t external—it was internal. He cited censorship, election manipulation, and silencing dissent as signs that Western democracies are losing their way.

Vance specifically called out the Munich organizers for banning populist parties from the event, not because they were violent or criminal, but because their views didn’t align with the ruling class.

What we’re seeing in Germany today proves his point.

Label a political opponent “dangerous.” Use that label to strip them of rights. Target their supporters. Marginalize them from public life. And if they own guns? Take those, too.

This isn’t some far-off dystopian future. It’s happening now. In a Western democracy.

This Could Happen Here—And Some Already Want It To

Before you dismiss this as a uniquely European issue, remember this: the Biden administration has repeatedly warned that “domestic extremism” is the greatest threat to national security. Not China. Not cyberattacks. Not narco-terrorists. American citizens.

If you think that political language won’t eventually be used to push disarmament here at home, think again. The blueprint has already been written.

In Germany, they didn’t need new laws. They just reinterpreted existing ones through the lens of “extremism” and used that to silence—and disarm—the opposition.

They redefined lawful gun owners as threats to democracy. Then they acted accordingly.

The Bottom Line

When the state decides your political affiliation makes you “unreliable,” your rights are already gone.

This isn’t just a German problem. It’s a warning for all of us.

Whether you vote left, right, or something else entirely, the right to speak your mind, defend your life, and participate in your nation’s political life should never depend on who’s in charge—or what party you support.

Today it’s AfD members in Germany. Tomorrow? It could be you.

Once again Folk’s this is a CAUTIONARY TALE REMINDER!
DON’T GET COMPLACENT!
Just because things might be turning around for us…
The STASI is under the floorboards waiting their turn once again!
EUROPE IS DUCKED UP!
PAY ATTENTION TO THE PREVAILING WINDS GUNNERS, It has an ANTI-GUN STINK TO IT!

WWG1WGA
NCSWIC

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If beta soy boy Hogg wash could have his way, we’d see the same here.

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‘Guarren-duckin’-Teed Bruh!’

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Apparently you are not familiar with the laws enacted in Germany after World War II.. Germany was demilitarized, with limits on its armed forces, and the Rhineland was also demilitarized…
Germany enacted a number of laws restricting private firearm ownership and weapons ownership in general. These laws were partly a reaction to the horrors of the war and the abuse of power under the Nazi regime. Initial restrictions were broad, and it was several years before private ownership was allowed again..
After 1945, even German police officers were initially prohibited from carrying firearms, and private ownership of firearms was not allowed.. laws also restricted the possession of other types of weapons, such as knives and other bladed weapons..
The laws were to make sure another nazi party wouldn’t come to power … Now there is another far right party wanting power … If it continues they will be incarcerated … I really though people here would support this, after all you are always calling for the Democrats to be locked up…

The US and its allies had everything to do with Germany’s right not to bare arms … Pretty hypocritical really …

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Contrary to what google’s search results would have you believe by sending you to left wing sites, The NAZI party was decidedly socialist. (Left wing)

I get a kick out of liberals equating the right wing with Naziism. They have effectively commandeered the term “Nazi” to support their narrative.

Once again, it is the left in Germany doing the persecuting, to stifle their political opponents.

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The idea that “Hitler was a left-wing socialist liberal” is a misunderstanding of the truth at best, and at worst is misinformation spread by right-wingers to distance themselves from an extremely unpopular nativist nationalist socially conservative right-wing populist movement of the past..

Hitler was a National Socialist (NAZI). National Socialism is a type of fascism. Although National Socialism had some notable socialist and left-wing planks and philosophies behind it (as one might surmise from the name), both in practice and on paper it was a unique authoritarian, militant, and nationalist ideology separate from socialism or liberalism that is often considered “far-right” by historians and scholars..

Having some left-wing socialist planks doesn’t make a person or political party left-wing or socialist. If it did, Trump would be a left-wing socialist simply because he is pro-worker. And even if we think, ok, then Trump is a left-wing socialist… we know that in practice this isn’t the best term to describe him and isn’t the commonly accepted terminology…

This was the takeaway …

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I know you see this stuff going on in this country today… It is outrageous that someone would do this “RIGHT”
CNN, The New York Times , and several other news organizations were reportedly banned from the White House press briefing . Many veteran journalists are understandably outraged by the development because the move seemed to be in retaliation for stories that the Trump administration didn’t like.

hitlers beliefs still alive

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Need only to gaze upon college campuses for the last few years to answer that question…

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Please don’t derail this thread and try to give everyone a history lesson here. It’s not needed. Maybe you’d be surprised, but the regulars here are pretty well-read and know their history.

Aside from that, the point isn’t what kind of politician Hitler was. The point was about disarmament of the citizens because of their party affiliation. It’s about stripping citizens of their fundamental rights, happening in our own group of Western “friends” who are supposed to share our values of freedom and self government.

Stay on topic please. It’s an important message for the 2A community.

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Equating this with censorship is a false narrative.
Equating our current LEADERSHIP with the oppresive German regime that disarms the opposition party is a false narrative.

Attending White House press briefings is a priviledge, not a right.

Those “organizations” you speak of have certainly abused the priviledge. They have worn out their welcome.

If you want to know what’s going on at the White House, try watching the live coverage from one of the MANY outlets that ARE afforded the priviledge.

THIS White House provides more opportunity and more access for JOURNALISM than ANY other administration in American history.

If you want to cry about the left wing outlets losing their priviledge that’s on you. People are getting their information from better sources.

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I think you might overestimate people’s abilities to comprehend what they read then… Also for the record. I do not understand why you are addressing this to me…

Talk to your Boy @Ron43xMOS HE is the one that went down that road … Back to my point about well read and comprehension …
I was on point breaking down what was being mislead to the community… I have friends in Germany and Belgium .. I can not believe what they can and cannot have or shipped to them for that matter…

I believe, I was covering, when and how the laws were enacted and why …

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Yeah, you may want to cut the allies some slack when a sick individual takes control of an entire country and convinces them to blindly follow his orders to start a world war. We kicked their A$$es. As a result, they deserved to have their weapons silenced/removed. That’s how war works. Not hypocritical, PRAGMATIC. RATIONAL.

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It’s really not worth it Brother
Anyone who discusses the FACTS that Germany was ‘Beaten down’
(and their ‘Right to keep and bear Arms’ was lost).
Maybe they shouldn’t have tried to KILL everyone who didn’t look like them.
and AFTER they tried for WORLD DOMINATION TWICE!
KILLED (6+) MILLION FOLK’S!
Oh I don’t know may be either a stirrer or blind to reality
I will NOT engage ever again with certain folk’s here
They can talk all they want FREE COUNTRY.
But when you are the lone decenter in a group who doesn’t feel that
way maybe they should take stock in their belief system
just my opinion you understand.
Calling Trump a Nazi is just stupid also.

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Hitler thought he knew better too.
Birds of a feather…

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Jesus first you are Germany can’t take their weapons… Then you say it’s ok we won we take them … Maybe look up the word Hypocrite…

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From minds greater than mine read folk’s say:
‘Did you ever notice the democrat’s always rail AGAINST crap THEY DO?’
calling Trump an ‘Oligarch’ yet flitting around Private Jets (Is that taxpayer
funded bernie? aoc?)
or RAILING about Trump finding Waste Fraud and Abuse= The democratic retirement fund.
or …oh nevamind! :rofl:

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Context.

Taking away Germany’s weapons of war during war was righteous. Germany’s ruling party taking away the opposition partys’ weapons is unrighteous oppression.

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Well, they did kind of wear out the “racist” word. And “felon” didn’t work very well.

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THANK YOU SIR

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