I’ve begun training my point shooting ability and found it comes naturally. Shooting with my eyes. Since, I’ve found using the dot or sights is almost child’s play. I seem more accurate but it also seems to take an eternity. Not because it takes longer to gain the sight but because point shooting is SO FAST! Obviously I’m less accurate but I’m in the zone every time from seven and closer. At ten I start to drift but with training I could see myself achieving proficiency at even ten. Interesting stuff.
You are instinctively deadly accurate quick pointing your finger, just use the barrel / muzzle as an extension of your finger.
I had a bunch of bicycle reflectors the red and white 3 inch diameter type. Bought a shoe box full for cheap from bike repair shop going out of business.
I nailed them up at different hights and distances, and would quick point and shoot a few rounds at each, and surprised myself at not only hitting them, but got good groups also.
It did not take as much time to get better than I thought it would.
Smash your trigger finger…lol i did that in the early 90’s. Even now on cold days and when it bothers me i use my middle finger for the trigger and trigger finger is along the slide/ receiver as a pointer. Or i shoot south paw. Weak side helps me stabilize the gun
Even when i type, i dont use my index finger that was smashed.
Painful way to do it but works. The gun goes where i point
Welcome to the club young Jedi
My system has been draw and go vertical, take three shots. Move to two hands at the sternum and take three shots. Extend out and take three shots. Find the sights and take three shots. One thing I hadn’t considered was the flash in the peripherals and another is the ejection. It’s a deconstructed draw drill and I think it’s the most valuable drill I’ve ever done.
It certainly reduces your draw and fire time. I’ve only done it once using a target with 5 bullseyes on it and just picked the first one and randomly picked all the rest while continuing to shoot. I was amazed that it worked so well. I emptied 2 or 3 mags in no time and only had two shots go a few inches wide. I never noticed the flash or ejections. To me it is the best way to shoot in close encounters. I tried shooting from the hip but it wasn’t nearly as good although I did hit the paper but couldn’t keep trying. The RO made me stop.
For your next evolution add a 2-3” orange sticker bullseye on the target to the side of the silhouette and do the same but walking backwards while you shoot, and when you fully extend take 3 aimed shots at the small bull. THAT’s fun.
Then add 4 round orange stickers and do the same but 2 aimed shots into each. Every time you miss a shot STOP, you force yourself to slow down and start from scratch until you are consistently clean. If your want a little excitement punish yourself with 5 pushups every time you miss…
Speed is not the goal, it is the by-product of doing it RIGHT over and over again.
Interesting, training the body positioning and muscle memory, sounds logical.
My first three shots are from the hip. This is from a holster I’m open carrying. I guess if I was starting from appendix my first three shots would be two hands from the sternum. I don’t carry like that though. I say get a good multi level holster and be confident and alert and positively represent guns openly. The numbers show multiple levels of retention nearly eliminate the threat of someone snatching your gun out of your back pocket. There’s plenty of threads on this platform that address that issue. People disagree with that position vehemently.
Can’t argue with you at all. Muscle memory and repetition lessens dependency on sighted fire.
I was wondering if the multiple levels of retention also slow down the draw? I say do whatever you are comfortable with, you are the one that pays for it if it slows you down.
I would love to be able to try those things but the ranges around here won’t allow you to move. I just sit here and wish I had some land to build my own range and then go to sleep and dream about it.
1984 I was introduced to point shooting. The idea seemed really cool. Then I practiced and trained for some time, and I am hooked. When I introduced the technique to my brother, he shot about 21 rounds at a bottle and could not hit it. I went to show him and with one shot at 7 yards I popped a beer bottle off of a branch.
I was told to first visualize a line from your chin to the target the draw your gun and point at the target and pull the trigger. with practicing this it does become a muscle memory. It has done me well.
I practice this a lot with my SIRT gun too!
I guess like everything that would depend on what you’re comparing it to. If I were comparing it to appendix I would say the retention on the hip is faster. If I were comparing it to no retention on the hip I’d say it’s almost the same but there’s always that chance you won’t defeat the retentions. Everything boils down to training in that regard. I wouldn’t want to open carry without an obviously beefy multiple retention holster. On top of being faster than any concealed holster, I’m slowly normalizing good men with guns. Saint Francis says preach always, and sometimes use your words.
Could you quantify with drills/targets/distances/times?
It’s especially useful in close quarters (proximity) and low light situations even when rushed and don’t have the time to acquire your sights, or a good sight picture of your threat target, and nil time to get a shot off; it’s perfect for that scenario like in a home invasion, when the invaders rush in by surprise.
It’s your only hope before being overrun.
I use whatever targets I have weather that’s a silhouette or a bunch of ten rings or a piece of cardboard I on. I’ve never used a timer. My distances have ranged from 5 yards to 25 yards but mostly 7 yards. Nathan always pops up when I start going against normal training brainwashing like concealing gives you a “tactical advantage”. I wonder where Frank is. The other Frank. He usually chimes in when I’m being disobedient. I hope he’s ok. One of them works for delta defense and it seems like they feel an obligation to defend the company line when it’s challenged. I welcome it.
I strongly suggest measuring performance for objective comparison, IE: Use a timer
When comparing different methods or optics or guns or ammo, setting a distance, target/group size, and measured time is the only way to know what performance each is achieving
From my perspective, there is no challenge without the data/number…one might even call it facts vs feelings.
Consider it considered