Please Define Common-Sense Gun Laws

I completely agree with you but its use is for politics to draw in the uneducated American citizen or non gun owners to think it’s reasonable to ban AR-15s!

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Common sense? Sadly the left has no idea what the term really means.

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If it’s ok, can I flip the question? I’m curious what kinds of gun restrictions you consider to be “common sense.” Do you oppose gun restrictions for convicted violent felons? Minors or children? Non-citizens? Certain classes of mentally ill patients? Illinois residents? (Sorry about that last one.) What are the gun laws that even 2A supporters can agree on?

(I assume we won’t all agree on these. In fact, I hope we don’t. That would be weird if we all agreed on everything.)

That has no relevance to what I have stated. The point I made was that we all have the inalienable RKBA and self-defense. A law cannot revoke what government cannot grant.

As we are all well-aware that felons illegally obtain firearms, the laws are not preventing that, so “allowed” or not, liking or agreeing with it or not, is irrelevant - that is the reality. We would all like for violence and bad/evil people not to exist, but we do not live in Heaven/Nirvana, and Utopia will never exist on Earth.

As I have shown, “gun control” only impacts the law-abiding, and is discriminatory, from its beginning through today. We can’t have Utopia, but we can seek to be a more egalitarian society. One part of that is not punishing law-abiding citizens for the acts of criminals by making laws that put undue burdens and costs upon them.

Speaking of flipping, does it change things to phrase this differently as well, replacing “gun” with “rights?” When is it reasonable (or not) to strip someone of their rights?

I don’t know the answer. It seems the start of a slippery slope, but we know rights are not absolute — the over used “yelling fire in a crowded theater” argument, for example.

I’m pretty certain I don’t want my hypothetical neighbor who’s been clinically diagnosed as paranoid psychotic with violent tendencies to have a gun, even if he’s totally okay when he’s taking his meds (which he doesn’t always do). Does that make me anti-2A? I don’t think it does. But then again someone on the left might say the same about his feeling that no one should have an AR with a 30-round mag.

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How many people has the Innocence Project freed over the years? Hundreds, Thousands, Men and Women who were falsely convicted. There’s very little gun control I believe in because the Government has proven over and over that they will overstep it everytime. Give them an inch of rope they want 2 inches of rope, give em 3 inches of rope now they want 4 inches of rope. Next thing you know they all want to be cowboys. :cowboy_hat_face:

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Ok seeing more info from Tim S explaining what he meant. So what you say sometimes isn’t what you mean. Really need to watch that when your position is higher up the ladder. Just me…

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. Common sense ----, Affordable Care Act, Patriot Act, etc. are all the result of wordsmiths putting a bow on each legislative package. Most people don’t want to hear the details and prefer the “Sound Bites”. They are easy to remember, fit nicely on a t-shirt, and help mask their real intention. I think all of this should be prefaced with BOHICA.

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We are not a nation of common sense. We are a nation of laws.

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There is no such thing as “common sense gun laws”.

That’s just a Communists way of reducing the ability of the people to rise up when the time comes.

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@RocketPak and @Spence, please check out what Tim said about common-sense gun laws in the video here:

He was using that phrase in a different way than most politicians are using it when it comes to gun laws.

What Tim doesn’t realize those politicians don’t actually care about safety. They care about control. The problem is for decades we’ve been giving them inch after inch because it’s for safety. When this whole time they’ve just been taking what they can get until they can achieve their ultimate goal of disarming everyone.

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They take until there’s nothing left, then move on to the next thing.

My version of common sense gun control is probably best left unsaid in a public forum.

If they are this dangerous, why are they released into society to start with?

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That is a great question. It seems to happen quite often.

Because they’ve served their sentences.

Take the story of Ted Streleski, a Stanford grad student who murdered his advisor with a hammer in the late ‘70s. He turned down parole, because he wouldn’t accept the restrictions it placed upon him; instead he finished his sentence.

His statement when he was released was chilling: “I have no intention of killing again. On the other hand, I cannot predict the future.”

Ref: [Theodore Streleski - Wikipedia]

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I once told a leftist friend that as soon as they pass “common sense” gun laws the criminals will obey, I will back them up.

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The following is the text of a letter I received from one of my US Senators. I bolded the paragraph where he talks about commonsense gun laws. I’m sure that when you contact your members of Congress you will receive the same cookie cutter response.

February 15, 2022

Thank you for contacting me about gun policy. I appreciate hearing from you.

It is painfully clear that existing federal policies do not provide a comprehensive approach to address the national epidemic of gun violence. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) continues to report gun violence as a leading cause of premature death in the United States, resulting in the loss of 39,707 American lives in 2019 alone.

For years, we have seen the scourge of gun violence in the tragedies of Virginia Tech, Sandy Hook, and far too many other places. No single legislative action can eradicate the complex and deeply rooted issues of gun violence. The correct approach focuses on many issues, including improvements to our mental health system, better security protocols, and commonsense rules about gun use, such as keeping firearms out of the hands of dangerous individuals.

On April 15, 2021, Senator Warner and I introduced the Virginia Plan to Reduce Gun Violence Act of 2021, which would implement measures adopted by the Virginia state government in early 2020 at the federal level. Our bill would enact an Extreme Risk Protective Order process, require background checks on all gun sales, mandate reporting of lost and stolen firearms, prevent children from accessing firearms, and limit bulk handgun purchases to one per month. By enacting comprehensive, commonsense policies that remain on this course, we can create opportunities to achieve meaningful policy reform across all levels of government.

I also support commonsense measures like universal background records checks to keep weapons out of the hands of people who federal law has determined are too dangerous to possess them. I have cosponsored various pieces of legislation to place limits on high-capacity magazines; ban bump stocks, which were used in the Las Vegas shooting to enable semi-automatic firearms to mimic the rapid firing action of machine guns; repeal a law shielding gun manufacturers from civil liability; and close loopholes that allow domestic abusers to legally obtain weapons and strengthen protections for victims of domestic violence. I also support ending the manufacture of semiautomatic assault weapons for public consumption and expanding federal research on gun violence.

The public supports commonsense rules, and so do the vast majority of gun owners. I will continue to work to bring about a comprehensive approach that will strengthen the safety of our communities while protecting our Second Amendment rights. As a gun owner myself, I know that you can be a strong supporter of the Second Amendment without tolerating the gun tragedies that are too often a part of our daily lives.

Thank you again for contacting me.

Sincerely,

Tim Kaine

Having read your post, I have been able to translate this politispeak. In the manner of many politicians, he has utilized a large number of words to convey very little. In my reading of this missive, the translation becomes very clear. It is in the form of a request on his part with the reason for this request. Translation: “In the next election, please vote for my opponent who has read and understands the Second Amendment. Please do NOT vote for me, as I possess an extremely limited number of functional brain cells”.

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Tim Kaine is still around…thanks for letting me know, and I guess that’s one Zillow search I’ll be deleting.