Given that hammas has threatened to bring the same savage butchery to our communities, (massive gang rape and beheading children); isn’t time to abandon these laws against carrying firearms in these areas? Even if local law enforcement had the personel and could afford to station an officer at every church school and synagogue, what are they going to do when two vans of armed jihadist roll up to the front door? Shouldn’t church schools and synagogues be alllowed to form their own security teams to patrol the grounds?
As far as I know, places of worship are allowed to do that in most states as it is. Now, schools are a different matter, laws tend to be much more strict about firearms at school.
I’m also afraid two vans full of armed terrorists wouldn’t be slowed down much by a team of volunteers…though I’d rather a few armed volunteers vs nobody armed
I suspect what you say is true however I would think even terroristic scumbags would pick an easier, unarmed target over a target where they know there is an armed security presences.
I think that depends on the armed presence. Is it one or two uniformed guards who they can easily locate and take out or several unknown, armed and trained staff who could be anywhere in the building?
Hamas knew there were lots of uniformed security on the other side of the border. But they seem to have had a pretty good plan to take them out or avoid them. They also likely felt pretty confident knowing that once they got past the uniformed security the civilian population had very limited numbers of potentially armed responders and the tools those few civilians might have were very limited.
Uncertainty is a strong deterrent.
I’m not worried. Schools would get ample protection.
See Parkland (FL) and Uvalde (TX).
On a serious note, I doubt they would wage war here.
Talk about the straw that broke the camel’s back.
I would actually not be surprised if we had some kind of an attack here. Especially if we are pulled further into the fray over there.
The tricky part will be figuring out whether that attack is an actual strike by Hamas, an attack by a lone wolf potentially egged on by a 3 letter agency, or a false flag. There are a lot of different parties with something to gain from broadening this conflict as much as possible.
Obviously ‘the big one’ folks will think of as a reference when you start talking about major actions like vans full of terrorists unloading at a school, is Beslan. A few unknown random teachers with pistols isn’t going to be even a road bump to something like that. If somebody really carried that out CONUS, as it wasn’t thwarted beforehand, I don’t think anything short of the kind of school POTUS sends his own kids to would be able to handle it.
What was the conclusion from that, minimum possible thwarting defensive force (hold long enough for a few SWAT teams to arrive) would be 3+ trained soldiers heavily armed in fortified positions within the school? Or something like that.
Like, vans full of armed terrorists, I’m thinking you could put three of us from this board in the school, plain clothes, with a full size pistol and two spare mags, and we’d lose, hard and fast
Just, the level of security needed for this is…high. Probably beyond what we are willing to provide for every location in the country. The cost would be enormous, and resources are finite, even if the will were there
I was looking at being a “school resource” officer in my area. The state requires I be a sworn officer. Pitty, I think local gubment is missing out on a resource they could tap. I’m retired with not a lot to do and I would love to be security at a local school. I would pay for my training and wouldn’t want a salary. Maybe a tax write off for uniform, training and ammo.
That would get a bit complicated. What level of training and qualification would be required and who would provide it? I think I would want a fairly high level of training and procifiency for someone uniformed and armed at my kids school. Basically the same firearms and firearm retention training requirements sworn officers have, likely meaning it would require time and resources from law enforcement training academy’s/departments.
Which, I don’t see why we can’t make that a reality.
But it would cost decent money in training and continued training and qualification, would have to have some kind of radio gear and dispatch connection I would think, background checks, interviews, etc
Then again maybe not all that much money compared to what we already spend on stuff
Such a person wouldn’t replace an SRO but for worst case scenario armed response to a firearm or knife attack…be better than the nothing we mostly have now
Maybe retired LEO would be a good place to start
I don’t think schools would even need to go the full volunteer resource officer route by having people expected to intervene in ordinary school discipline issues.
Just having some well trained volunteers willing to hang out could be a big benefit in quickly responding to active shooter incidents. After getting proper training I would happily volunteer to hang out at my son’s school on some of the days I didn’t have to work.
Though I still think it’s better for the defenders to be incognito. Which is why I think trained permanent school staff is the best way to go.
As @Nathan57 points out a couple of staff or volunteers would be unlikely to stop or even slow an all out assault but they could have a good chance of ending a lone wolf attack before LEOs can finally respond. Especially if the lone wolf wasn’t certain who was and wasn’t armed.
In Rio Rancho, New Mexico they have (1) Jewish place of worship (Synagogue for all you neophytes out there) And it is guarded by half the Police force…The other guy is guarding the Pur Life dispensary
Could not agree more!
I think that is what Israel was thinking.
Ever since this war between Israel and Hammas started our church has been losing numbers of people in attendance at services. Mainly the older members. I am not a person that will scare off easy because then the terror groups win. My goal is to try and arm as many people as I can in my church and get them properly equipped. Anti 2A people see what’s going on and they continue not wanting armed personnel in schools and places of worship. I advise anyone who is on a church security team to do the same. Equip your people and keep your congregation safe. Training is important. Then convince them to become members of the USCCA.
That’s a fact, coming from a Brooklyn boy, I think you served at the same time I entered the military! I think it’s a great idea to arm as many as possible. I’m just afraid it’s a little behind the eighth ball. You and I have been trained, and yet we are still training and learning. Putting a firearm in a newbies hand, well it’s going to take some time to be proficient. It took me 15 years to train my boys. Build up courage and proficiency. It’s a shame we have to discuss this in the context of a house of worship!
Back in the good old days, schools, houses of worship, the bowling alley, movie theaters, concerts were pretty safe places. The dark alley ways, the trains and the parks at night, were the unsafe places. Today it feels like approaching my mailbox requires a command and control center. At the very least, reconnaissance!
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I’m not worried. In my nanny state we have a 10 round max. So if any terrorists paraglide into this NE state, they are limited to 10 rounds per mag, right? Whew, I was worried there for a minute but I’m sure they will abide by the laws here.
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Good one @Wanda3
**Police Departments that don’t have the manpower to provide SRO to schools, should look at a parentship with the school district, and go after retired LEO who have a HR218 Certification. Both agencies can split the cost in hiring a HR218. Sheriff’s/ Police should follow the lead created by Florida with the Guardian Program. Now is the time to end all the Red Tape.
Our gun free zones make it virtually impossible for terrorists to attack so I’m not worried at all.
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