that is why every time I am even stopped for any reason by the LEO that even before he/she get out of their car,I have my hands interlocked behind my hear and as they are at my car door Itell them that I am going to reach with my left hand to my left pocket with my left hand aon get my Id and cc card out and wait for them to say ok,then I put both hands on the steering wheel
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That will more likely be the fall guy. Heâll take one for the team.
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I agree but with this difference, âdo I have your permission?â and then wait for an audible, âyes.â
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I donât go quite that far but Iâve always gotten my wallet out before theyâre out of their cruiser, placed it on the dash, and then wait with both hands on the wheel.
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that also works
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they have asked me why i always waited for them to approve it the move and as i told them I did not want any thing bad to happen
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This 
between pulling over and the officer walking to the passenger side window, thereâs enough time to get ready for a pleasant interaction.
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Iâm the exact same way. Couple of months ago
My wife got pulled over for a headlight going out on our way back from the movies. Wife pulled over and 2 LEOâs got out. One was on driverâs side, other one was next to me on the passenger side. I had my hands on the visor, about 30-40 seconds go by and the officer on my side asks me why do I have my hands up? I start to say Iâm a CCP holder and he interrupts and says âoh but why do you have your hands upâ? I told him I do it as a courtesy to him, as I donât want him to feel unsafe. My internal monologue is âI donât want to get shotâ. They give my wife a warning and we drove home.
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as far as the LEO goes,when walking up to the car,they really are up tight and any thing you can do to make the calm is in your best interest at best,and then you can see they are really calm,and every one has thanked me for doing that,it does take the tension tout of the confrontation i do beleive and that is why i beleive that I have got more warnings than a citation,if all are relaxed,things are caln,that is good,you wont win an argument on the side of the road!
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Iâm not trying to make light of this video or any other situation, but can you imagine if the suspect had been black? It wouldnât make the situation any better or worse, but I think the public reaction would be national and severe. Itâs kind of curious that we have a video of an unarmed man being shot in his own doorway as he complied with police instructions, and no one seems to care. It might be a big story locally, but this is the only place on the internet where Iâve seen it. I guess it doesnât fit the narrative that the big news corporations want to sell. (I hate American news corporations, theyâre so worthless. But thatâs a rant I donât have room for, here.)
Iâm glad the suspect didnât die. I will give a caveat that I have no idea why SWAT was at his trailer. I donât know whether heâs a âgood guyâ or not, but this obviously is not how a police raid is supposed to go.
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youâre exactly correct I know some people near were this all happened. they told me it was just a blip on the news
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On second thought, perhaps the news doesnât want to make too big a deal of story that would require a pretty major retraction of their original headline.
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I, think at this point, that I am jaded with MSM. I donât believe MSM even tries to be impartial anymore.
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Thatâs true. And Iâm not sure the big American news companies were ever impartial. Itâs a nice thought, but I think thatâs born of a misperception of a time before we were born, or were too young to understand how things worked. If there is a difference between bygone days and today, I think perhaps there used to be more balance between different news companies and the bias they chose to peddle to their readers. With a few exceptions, most of the big news companies are pretty solidly aligned to the left. But left or right, so much of what we call ânewsâ is just absurd entertainment headlines presented to target audiences in order to sell ads. (The modern term is âclickbait,â but the practice is certainly much older than the internet.)
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I may be guilty of having old fud (Boomer) thinking. But I respected Walter Cronkite and a few others.
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I did, too. But Iâve seen some old stories and Iâm pretty sure even Mr. Cronkite had his biases. (We all do.)
You know the stereotypical, boring, old newsman who colorlessly reads facts and numbers as news in the movies? Iâd pay money to get that kind of news in real life.
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all the old news casters are for the most part are gone and the MOD SQUAD for the most part are pushing their agenda,I donât even look or listen to the main stream media any more,I do read the alternate media that is out there
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This reminds me of the Daniel Shaver case where a Mesa, AZ police officer straight up murdered Daniel who was not only unarmed but down on his knees, with his hands behind his head, BEGGING the officer not to shoot him. It was all caught on badge cam. Not only did the officer not get charged with murder, as he most certainly should have, he later claimed PTSD from the incident and now sits at home collecting a disability pension for life.
Interesting side note, I recently was watching some old episodes of COPS from the '80s along with some of the new episodes and something immediately jumped out at me: In the old episodes, the cops almost never went to their gun. They did everything they could to deescalate before shooting someone, even if that person was armed. Now, in many departments around the country, they immediately go to their guns and shoot to kill with only the slightest indication that person may be a threat.
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Itâs probably not best to make comparisons based on a TV show.
The Hawthorne Effect comes into play. People alter their behavior when they know theyâre being observed.
The Shaver case was more complex than stated. The officer was, indeed, charged with 2nd degree murder, but was acquitted by a jury. There were some shenanigans with the body cam footage during the trial, which could have potentially changed the outcome. I havenât watched the footage myself, but youâre right that this is a pretty bad case. The city ended up settling with the family, which I know is not an admission of guilt, but it goes to show that taxpayers can end up footing the bill when the agents of their city arenât properly trained or when they donât perform to standard.
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I think the real issue is that the âleftâ and ârightâ has drifted so much further apart that the ârangeâ of bias in the old days was ânarrowerâ and the âtwo sidesâ much more closely aligned than today.
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