Gosh, thanks, guys. I read the initial question in good faith and answered it in good faith. I didn’t realize that this was all about trying to prove how smart we were.
Yes, if you point a firearm at something, with the safety off and pull the trigger, assuming the firearm is loaded and in good repair, it will fire.
Wow! I never realized that!
I suppose I should sell all of my firearms that have safeties and put a drop of glue on the trigger safety on my Glock. . . I am still not so sure what I should do about my DA/SA pistols, I guess I should just toss them in a dumpster. . . just to be safe.
I just still don’t understand the benefit or reason for it existing. If the safety is disengaged (able to be fired) when the gun is held, what benefit does it provide?
Logically, I can’t see a benefit/scenario it is useful other than if it’s needed to be drop safe.
Possible exception to changing your grip when you holster the gun so it wont’ fire if something snags the trigger while putting the gun into the holster.
Edit: as I think about it, is it so that the gun is drop safe, since that is a big part of the trigger dongle type safeties? Or, it’s not drop safe with the manual safety flipped to fire, so if it’s dropped with that thumb safety off, it is still drop safe? But if that’s the case, it doesn’t do anything a GLock style trigger safety wouldn’t do (granted, 1911’s don’t have that kind of a trigger safety)
Just a guess; those serving in the military or police squad car/community patrol – I might understand how they might prefer “no thumb safety lever”. Their mere being closest to the fray, where it’s more likely split seconds count.
It’s your personal choice, I can only suggest what options you have on yours. Selfish reasons, not wanting accidents due to caring, and we don’t need more negativity against us.
Aside from there being strategies for good firearm use/form, a manual safety lever, and or double action trigger, can add additional steps in preventing accidents. + 1 sense of security per se.
Is there a 100% guarantee that one’s firearm will never be involved in an accident? He/she who chooses an additional step wants to increase that accident free percentage.
To err is human. The mind/brain is so complex. As someone wrote, rather a responsible owner have one with a safety than not to own at all. Besides, one can always turn the safety button off, or on whenever they want to.
It can provide the owner more peace of mind. An accident can hurt the owner, his/her friend/family or neighbor.
Half of U.S. states don’t require a permit. They don’t require even the most basic training. If anyone ever “belittles” an owner about the value of safety features, I’d personally find that concerning.
Saw there are 41,000 members in this community. I’ve written some sensitive remarks, so I wouldn’t blame some for blocking my comments from their view, as I’ve done the same because theirs where not enjoyable to me (can no longer see theirs). No love lost, with all due respect.
? The only issues I have had with some of your posts are that you generalize and project your feelings and beliefs onto others, make broad assumptions about issues and others, and imply untoward “beliefs” about others, such as:
I have yet see that.
Which makes the safety not doing what it was designed for. If the firearm has a safety, it properly should be engaged until one is ready to shoot, and one should only be “ready to shoot” after being in conformity with the four rules.
As the NRA training states, a safety is a mechanical device that can fail. That means the only actual way to be safe is by obeying the four rules. Rather than stress over what someone believes about “safeties” on firearms, be more concerned about knowing and obeying the four rules - the only 100% reliable way to be safe. A safety is only another layer, after the four rules, that might or might not work, and only if it is engaged, is functioning properly, and one or more of the four rules are broken.
I think every gun should have a drop safety of some kind. If it’s striker fired, it should have a trigger safety. If it’s a single action gun it should have a grip safety and a mechanical safety. I like passive safeties and I do not trust manual safeties. Manual safeties are a personal preference, though I’d argue one should be used on single action guns that have very light trigger pulls.
I don’t like manual safeties anymore, BUT I understand why people do. My first carry guns had safeties. I’ve evolved away from them. (Though Mas Ayoob made an interesting argument for manual safeties in the incident a bad guy gets your gun out of its holster).
My only exception would be DA/SA as long as the first trigger pull is a heavy enough to be not drop safe.
The only firearm that breaks my preference on this is the Sig series of guns… they are also the only guns I know to have had a massive recall due to not being drop safe.
The only true “drop safety” is a mechanism which prevents firing pin or striker to move forward to hit the primer.
Neither trigger safety nor thumb safety are designed for this. Neither one stops inertia.
It has to be pin / striker block plunger or “drop safety” pin / striker heavy spring.
I had always wondered why all the other strikers seemed to have a hinged trigger or a dongle and Sig didn’t. Turns out they just didnt’ care if it lacked the drop safe attribute
Trigger safety by itself is not a drop safety, it can be considered as a part of it together with the plunger.
On the other hand, your statement is true.
Strike fired pistols are tricky with it because the striker is usually fully or partially cocked, so there must be plunger AND trigger safety to make it safe.
Hammer fired pistols are easier to understand with it, especially 1911 series 70 and 2011.
The best drop safety is heavy firing pin spring which opposes pin’s inertia.