Legal Term: Reasonable Person Test

The Reasonable Person Test is something prosecutors will use in determining if the actions were self-defense or not. They’ll weigh whether or not a “reasonable person” would have thought the same things we thought to be true and would have reacted the same way we reacted in a given situation.

Remember, a reasonable person doesn’t necessarily mean our family, friends, or others who are pro-Second Amendment. It’s referring to the 12 average jurors picked from the community where the incident took place.

Do you think the “reasonable person” in your local community is supportive of the Second Amendment?

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Living in a rural area of Illinois I feel confident that folks in my area are supportive of 2A. For too many years the liberal Meccas surrounding Chicago make this state less supportive.

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I am so confident in the legal system my 3rd phone call following a SD event will be to a certain individual with a code word that means get ALL the guns out of my possession NOW, not tomorrow, not an hour from now, RIGHT NOW. That failing there is an alternates list that can also be used to help with the endeavor. Of course after my tragic boating accident it won’t take very much effort.

Cheers,

Craig6

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I keep hearing about these boating accidents. I have been concerned about this since I live near the ocean,
so I recently liquidated all of mine at a garage sale - it was amazing - I was able to get more than $1.00 each, and threw ammo in for free since I won’t need it anymore.

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Our good Governor has relieved us of our ability to sell at garage sales anymore, unfortunately following the implementation of the new law I was transporting my ENTIRE collection across the bay when we were capsized by a rouge wave. You see Hampton Roads, VA is actually an island. It is IMPOSSIBLE to get from VA Beach to mainland USA without crossing a bridge or tunnel. Hence my boating expedition.

Cheers,

Craig6

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I live in California. Need I say more?

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Let me be the 1st to welcome you @Harry38 :+1:

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Nor-Cal here, more 2A-friendly than So-Cal. But still, good luck finding 2A-friendly jurors.

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Like @George98 , I’m in rural Illinois. And, Southern Illinois to boot. We are overwhelmingly a gun friendly area. Very pro-2A, including the vast majority of our Sheriffs, states attorneys, and State Level Senators and Representatives. Our local State Rep is a member of the 2A Caucus (I think that’s the name of it) and donates money to local shooting teams for young people. We have rifle, shotgun, and archery teams run by 4H, I coach the rifles, brother-in-law the shotgun, good friend coach archery. Our congressman in DC is pro-2A as well. Sadly, both federal Senators, are as anti-2A as you can be(Durbin and Duckworth). But, yes, the extremely vast majority are “Reasonable” people.

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Thankfully, I live in South Carolina which continues to be a very 2A-friendly environment…at least for now.

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Welcome @Mike199

Tough times are coming for us all!

Oklahoma is really 2nd amendment positive. Glad to have it as my home state hopefully Oklahoma continues to stay positive on the 2nd amendment.

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Depends, if its where I live. I feel comfortable that it will be a fair jury, and I’ll be able to get a fair reasonable person. Birmingham, however is why I have the best self defense/2A attorney in the state and convinced him to become an in network lawyer for the USCCA.

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I live in Southern California, have some hispanic blood, a hispanic sur name, but look white, hence I was guilty at birth. No CCW licences allowed, and you can go to jail for shooting a home invader with a legal gun. WE do however, have wonderful weather!

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I live in what I refer to as commi-fornia but the county I live in is very republican and everyone I know in my town inside my county is very reasonable and would give a fair trial. Now if I were ever a juror I would like to think that I would also be resonably fair with my decision.

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Hello and welcome @Mandy
I live in a very 2A county in NW NV and also believe I would get/give a fair trial. As far as getting a fair trial in Vegas or Reno I really doubt it.

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To better understand the element of Reasonableness I’ve included the two types of reasonableness we need to have to complete one of the five elements required to use deadly force.

Subjective reasonableness has to do with the defender’s genuine, good faith belief in the need to act in self-defense as they did. If that subjective belief is lacking, the use of force could not have been reasonable.
** By itself is Imperfect Self-Defense **

Objective reasonableness asks whether a hypothetical reasonable & prudent person would have shared that same subjective belief. If so, the subjective belief is objectively reasonable. If not, then not.
** Perfect Self-Defense **

What would a reasonable and prudent person do in the exact same circumstances, given what the defendant (you) knew at the time (of the deadly force encounter)? – Massad Ayoob

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Same problem here in Va two of the worst ant 2A in DC and the governor is trying to do the most damage possible before the end of his term!

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IMO, we need to define and/or identify the “reasonable person”. IN court, they’re referred to as a “Prudent Person”. Websters says that prudent is “acting with or showing care and thought for the future”, or "wise or judicious in practical affairs; sagacious (having or showing keen mental discernment and good judgment; shrewd); discreet or circumspect (careful to consider all circumstances and possible consequences ); sober. careful in providing for the future.

So the question is, “Do you think the “reasonable person” in your local community is supportive of the Second Amendment?”

Well, I have to take issue with the question, but being that I’m the only “reasonable person” that I know of in my community, so yes, I DO support the 2A.

Seriously, how are we to know who many or even WHO is the prudent people are in our community?

Anyway, you start out by talking about prosecutors and the “reasonable (or prudent) person test” in a lethal force, self-defense, (in Florida) “stand your ground” case, and then tease the conversation with the speculation that the prosecutor an jury may see the actions of a prudtn person, in YOUR CASE, different than you do/did.

Well, I was in such a case recently and yes, the prosecutor apparently DID have a different perspective on what a prudent person would do, IN MY CASE. Yes, I had a jury, but here’s the thing: The jury has to decide within certain parameters and the judge gives them the instructions. I went in with a “stand your ground” self-defense case and so they had to decide within those parameters.
What were those parameters? Well, they’re different state by state,. In Florida, we have the Castle Doctrine or “stand your ground”, and then within that, there are different situations: One is defending yourself in your home or place of business, you vehicle (o0n the route where you normally go) or private property, etc, -that case usually doesn’t go to trial. Another is when you witness a forceable felony like armed robbery, rape, arson, car jacking, etc. In thas case, there’s ONE acid test: IF he had NOT have shot that BG and stopped him, would someone else have gotten fatally harmed or killed? If the answer is yes (eye witness or video helps tremendously)- Not guilty. The other one (and the one I had) is a "one on one “encounter. SO the parameters there are disparity, ability, mental aquity (mentally retarded) > cause- was I justified in defending myself,? Also, the judge gives the jury the insrtuction, that if there is ANY doubt, they HAVE to find me not guilty.
OK, disaprity- well the first simple example is a 100lb 5’ tall woman against a 6’4”,250lb hardened felon, but also age is a factor and also, physical ability, mental aquity and preexstiing medical conditions. MIne was the last one. Due to the fact that I was recovering from recent surgery to replace torn rotator cuffs in both shoulders and the other person had NO phiysical disabilites, so the disaprity and ability went against him. We were matched in mental aquity, so YEs, I was jsutified to defend myself, so I was found NOT GUILTY, YMMV

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I think they’re are two different types of juries,

1st jury “Why didn’t the defendant just shoot them in the leg?”

2nd jury “The defendant should have had better shot placement!”