And then they give 0 names or objective data?
To say the paper is fishy is an understatement.
Which of those agencies referenced or implied are issuing this ammo? If it’s so ridiculously awesome best thing since sliced bread like the writer is getting at…surely all these departments involved with that testing have picked it up…right?
Some discussion about the bogus-ness on a well informed forum below:
The, caliber, if you will, of their testing
Love how their big agency involved official testing used a pair of pants dangling in the breeze over a pvc pipe as their barrier. Only two layers of denim instead of the usual 4. They also left the plastic packaging on the meat. How many criminals wear plastic? But guess their big budget testing couldn’t figure out a better way to hang the meat?
Their sample size is also a uselessly small 4 rounds per bullet type. 8 in the case of the Fort Scott ammo for some random reason. All shot into random spots on the same piece of meat with no attempts to recover the bullets. Their video also conveniently doesn’t show the HP ammo tests.
Maybe they actually did all this testing and maybe they invited some of their friends who happened to work for a couple of the agencies they claim took part. If you read their description of the test that’s actually what they are saying while implying it was some big official thing. But I can’t imagine this being a multiple government agency sponsored ballistics test. Unless Biden was the one sponsoring it. It would take someone with his vast knowledge of firearms to consider this to be a rigorous enough scientific test to make an informed decision that could affect the safety of thousands of LEOs.
The Underwood bullets may or may not be a viable alternative to the well proven quality HP options. But I wouldn’t base my decision on this “report”.
Though now that I think more about it. The way our government throws money around, it is quite possible these guys got a government contract for a couple million dollars to run ballistic tests. Then they watched some YouTube videos to come up with their methodology. Spent $1k or so on a couple boxes of ammo, gel, meat and some other supplies and pocketed the rest of the cash. So guess I shouldn’t be surprised if this turns out to be an official government study.
Are you two still going on about this. 
Yup:)
Apparently a post has to have 6 or more characters so I couldn’t settle for the short and sweet answer for once in my life. So here is my usual long winded reply;)
I think it’s important for folks to verify the data they base their decisions on. You have made your choice and I respect that. If you are confident your choice will do the job then you are good to go. The most important thing with handguns is shot placement so any bullet that won’t under penetrate or significantly over penetrate should get the job done if you put enough of them in the right spots.
I just want to make sure that others starting their decision process aren’t basing their choices on information of dubious quality. When I first got into firearms I had no solid resources to go on other than the internet and no frame of reference to sort the facts from the fiction. I mistook some of the very popular internet firearms misinformation for the gospel truth and made quite a few less than optimal decisions because of it.
Now that’s a waste of a couple of nice looking Briskets 
I have been following this thread. Good points all around.
I will be sticking with my .147 HST.
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This is the new Lehigh Defense facility in Texas. I would think Bill Wilson knows a thing or 20 about bullets. 
Just for fun, I asked ChatGPT (artificial intelligence) to write a 100 word article on this subject. The result is below, so you can see that AI has about the same intelligence as your average Democrat. 
“ Fluted bullets and hollow point bullets serve different purposes, and the choice between them depends on the intended use. Fluted bullets, with their distinctive grooves, are designed for accuracy and stability during flight. The grooves create a better seal between the bullet and the barrel, reducing drag and increasing the bullet’s velocity. This results in improved accuracy and consistency, making fluted bullets an excellent choice for target shooting and long-range hunting.
On the other hand, hollow point bullets are designed to expand upon impact, causing maximum damage to the target. This makes them ideal for self-defense and hunting applications where stopping power is critical.
Ultimately, the choice between fluted and hollow point bullets depends on the intended use. For accuracy and precision, fluted bullets are the way to go, while hollow points offer superior stopping power for self-defense and hunting applications.”
I like gold dots because the FBI has been collecting IN FIELD useage data on it for 30+ years at this point. There is a LOT of data for it and its one of the most overly studied defense cartridges on the planet. They work and they work well.
Also +p+ is not a SAMI spec and generally boarders on being over pressure loads. They are very hard on your firearms and have drastically different performance charachteristics at those speeds vs what your normally going to be training with. Know that your holds and POI will be significantly affected. At that point you should probably step up to something like 9mm major or 460 roland ao you have appropriatly specd brass for the pressure ranges youd be operating in.
Just my .02 