The fallout of airport searches is that they are now nearly ubiquitous at any government office. Consider , (I’m sure everyone could cite similar examples)
I had to go to the local social security office to deal with the automatic withdrawals Medicare was taking from my dead father’s bank account. It was an issue that Medicare and Social Security could not deal with after spending literally 8 hours on the phone with them. To enter the government office (which was empty at the time) and speak with a social security employee, I had to submit to warrantless search by 3 uniformed armed guards complete with weapons, shaved heads, black uniforms and a metal detector.
When I bought license plates at my local clerk and recorder, I first had to submit to a warrantless search by two armed uniformed sheriff’s deputies manning a metal detector. They are not patrolling the streets looking for criminals but tethered to a metal detector searching the dangerous public who que up to buy license plates.
We are a society afraid of its own shadow and willing to give up Constitutionally guaranteed rights for the illusion of security.
That’s a totally different situation. They shouldn’t be allowed protections the rest of us don’t have, they’re public services. You should not have to submit in these instances.
I agree. I always compare Colorado with Utah. In Colorado, to enter and walk through the capitol building, one must first submit to a search and pass through a metal detector. In Utah, no metal detector, no armed guards at the entrances.
Likewise, the federal government requires people entering the Senate or House office buildings to speak with their representatives (the right to petition government, guaranteed under the 1st Amendment), one must que up at the entrances and submit to a warrantless search of their person and property as a condition of entry.
Roger that. I flew last in maybe 2019…no desire at all. So glad that I was young when I was allowed to knock on the door and the pilot would let me in to watch.
I’m not sure why you are asking me that question…? I never said or implied anything of the sort. Also, you realize that felony and federal offense are two different things, right? I mean, it could be both, or it could be one, or it could be the other, or it could be neither. Most felonies are state laws
The topic was people lining up for warrant-less searches to fly, and not having to do so in order to take a train.
Given how stringent Amtrak is on their rules, I’m surprised to hear that, especially with end points like Chicago and Seattle, they don’t even check.
But since you mention illegality of doing so:
In Illinois it is illegal to carry in
Public transportation
*Transportation facilities
I am not a lawyer, but reading of that is that the individual I quoted just admitted to, at the least, breaking Illinois state law in addition to Amtrak rules when carrying onto an Amtrak train in Chicago
Well, first of all you’re using a few logical fallacy arguments. I never said that I want prisoners to have guns, and the right of the government to enforce laws isn’t in question.
But, since you asked, Article 1, Section 8 allows the Congress to make laws.
My question was where in the constitution does it say that a constitutional right, such as bearng arms, can be restricted because you are a convicted felon?
(HINT: It doesn’t)
In the case of 2A and Bruen, this means one must examine the historical records. Were felons restricted from owning weapons at the time 2A was adopted? Again the answer in no. Therefore, I predict this law will soon be overturned. So far, it actually has been for overturned for 1 felon.
Like anything else now a days there are ‘FELONS’ and there are ‘felons’
Meaning (of course most of you folk’s are there already knowing what that means)
Taking away that RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS because you made a mistake
should be ILLEGAL. IF you are a habitual offender (KNOWN TO POLICE) YES you
have PROVEN beyond the shadow of a doubt you are a Criminal and shouldn’t be able to possess a legal firearm (and of course these are crimes committed using said Guns in the commission of those Felonies). IF you are convicted of a Felony many charges aren’t
considered making the person a THREAT to the Community. You can split hairs all you
want which charges should and shouldn’t be included here but once a person does
his so called ‘Pay’s his debt to society’ where is it that that person should be PUNISHED
FOREVER for the crimes he/she served their time for and is released back out in the World.
One of the problems I’ve witnessed a person (once again made a mistake–used poor Judgement–maybe under the influence of substances whatever) and is destroyed because that/those charges FOLLOW THEM THE REST OF THEIR LIVES. If you do (a Business/the Military)
simple background check those mistakes come up immediately. Are they NEVER FORGIVEN? Seems incredibly UNFAIR.
In my mind this turns a Whoopsie mistake from a person who did TIME forcing them into Crimes (they may not want to commit) to survive. I liken this to a DWI/DUI—someone drinks too much gets caught and bye bye License. Their Insurance goes up, vehicle Impounded, and a host of bad sh!t happens because they made an error in judgement (Once!)
Habitual offenders? The gloves come off. But to Vilify someone over and over again for a (Non-Lethal mistake) is a Crime in an of itself. A very good Guard (Armed) was given a DWI and he not only lost his job-- This poor guy made a mistake, he had a Wife and kids, Went to a celebration of some sort (I don’t remember) and drove home and was randomly pulled over
(wasn’t weaving or didn’t cause an accident) he was cuffed up in front of his kids and hauled away and crucified because of a slightly elevated BAC --sorry once again it didn’t happen in my town so I don’t know the legal number you can fail a test and what he had be he claimed he has (4) Beers) the whole day. Anyway, the ‘Snowball’ effect happened on this dude and it kept getting bigger and bigger till last Christmas he ate his gun.
I’m not perfect, never claimed to be but this extreme Punishment of s seriously nice guy was criminal. Did he deserve this treatment ? I hope you say without a doubt ‘Of course not!’
Another casual friend was a Truck Driver (Fed Ex) He was a little different because he was a self proclaimed hell-raiser on his days off. Extreme sports, Pushed the envelope in many areas
but it never hurt Innocents. He sustained broken bones and lost his Wife but on the driving job he was a straight shooter. He got caught carrying a gun (on his job) was fired (It was against policy to be armed so he was rightfully terminated) but that followed him for the rest of his career and he never got another driving job (that he loved with all his heart) and is a broken man doing one sh!tty job after another. That isn’t fair (and I know Life isn’t fair) but this seems extreme–excessive punishment for a single mistake.
Taking away MY Right to carry/Possess a Firearm would crush me.
I AM a Sheepdog----EVERYTHING revolves around that mind set.
I no longer work in the Protection field but my Resume is all about that’ from age (18) to right up to last year, My stories , memories, WHO I AM is because the RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS was given to me by GOD (NOT THE .gov). Now I KNOW what that takes to keep the right intact. Don’t drink n drive, be a good Citizen, Follow the Laws blah, blah, blah
BUT if I did make a mistake (like all the examples above) Why should I be PUNISHED for that mistake till I go on the dirt side of the grass?
How would I protect myself? my friends and Family? if that right was taken away.
And worse be taken away by a Corrupt system that doesn’t take into account ‘mitigating circumstances’ or judged on a case by case basis but you did this the Law say’s you should punished and never regain your status of a good citizen. Things/Laws need to change.
Lastly, we see even here on the USCCA 'They provide Funds for ‘Expunging Records’ and
marks on the record that prolly ‘on a case by case’ examination mistakes and false charges can be wiped clean—THIS IS A VERY GOOD THING for USCCA to do.
(MOO!)
