Felons and gun rights

My opinion is like others on here if convicted of a violent crime NO 2A rights, if the felony is nonviolent then Yes all rights reinstated.

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The Bill of Rights does not define individual rights but rather, restricts the actions of government.

Those who would restrict individual rights based on a conviction of a crime classified as a felony are essentially asserting that the restrictions otherwise imposed on government by the Bill of Rights are waived for that individual. For example, prohibiting firearms ownership (2nd Amendment) for someone convicted of a crime classified as a felony is no different than allowing the government to seize property without a warrant (5th Amendment) or restrict the speech of an individual (1st Amendment) or allow warrantless searches of an individual based on whether they have been convicted of a crime that a group of elected officials classified as a felony.

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As long as it’s non-violent and time served/restitution paid I don’t mind it full rights are restored, gun and voting.

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You’re omitting the term “without due process”. The government can in fact restrict your rights so long as due process is followed.

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Seventy percent of prisoners released in 2012 were arrested again within five years, according to data from the Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS).
The most common understanding of recidivism is based on state data from the US Department of Justice, Bureau of Justice Statistics, stating that two-thirds (68 percent) of prisoners released were arrested for a new crime within three years of release from prison, and three-quarters (77 percent) were arrested within five years.

Within 3 years of release, 49.7% of inmates either had an arrest that resulted in a conviction with a disposition of a prison sentence or were returned to prison without a new conviction because they violated a technical condition of their release, as did 55.1% of inmates within 5 years of release.

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Where in the Constitution does it say this?

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THERE IT IS! :point_up:
Ok, I read ALL the comments and thoughts (ALL good points).
But Frank here nailed it for me. The ‘case by case’ ‘review’ I have a problem with
Leaving it (your life hanging in the balance to be adjudicated by some .gov hack bureaucrat)
is NOT my idea of JUSTICE!
To many of us Law abiding Citizens have been screwed over because of some prejudice
or simply because ‘WE HAD TOO MANY GUNS!’ How many times I have read this person had (10) Long rifles and and ‘assorted handguns’ and 
wait for it! 2000 rounds of ammunition! OH DEAR he must be thinking of climbing a tower in Texas! MURDERER! HANG HIM HIGH!
OH DEAR SHE HAD (20) Crochet hooks! LIZZIE BORDEN!
IF you have a rap sheet that includes many VIOLENT OFFENSES you are done!
Strike (3) throw the book at them and throw away the key
Some Illegal got caught up in the sweep recently in NYC and had (42) Violent ARRESTS! The chances of reoffending are 100% why was he out on the streets still? why was he NOT DEPORTED (or sent to GITMO! (forever). Or executed? Never to Offend again.
The dude who gets caught up because he carried a gun in a Bar ? was he wrong? YES, did he make a mistake? YES, did he pay for it in the courts? YES? should he lose his rights to PROTECT HIMSELF AND HIS FAMILY FOREVER ? HELL NO!
The scales of ‘Lady Justice’ are not always fair. Sometimes she’s not only blind but stupid.

I SERIOUSLY hope that IF any of us are in a SELF DEFENSE shoot that the USCCA fights tooth and nail to not only defend us but get the charges wiped from our records (if innocent).
Once on the record it is really hard to wipe the slate clean.

My two cents

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I couldn’t even tell you to within an accuracy +/- 2,000 how many rounds of ammo I have. Would be an educated guess

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I have a spreadsheet. You need one too!

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The Fifth Amendment provides several protections for people accused of crimes. It states that serious criminal charges must be started by a grand jury . A person cannot be tried twice for the same offense (double jeopardy ) or have property taken away without just compensation . People have the right against self-incrimination and cannot be imprisoned without due process of law (fair procedures and trials).

The Bill of Rights: What Does it Say? | National Archives

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Yes; but it doesn’t say that the government may take away the constitutional rights of convicted felons.

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True, if the 5th Amendment worked. In the world in which we live, such legalities are often not observed by government.

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When I can’t close the door to my room
 I have enough
Now Mag’s I NEVER have enough! :joy:

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If you research the issue, you will find that felons were allowed to own firearms until 1968. The Gun Control Act of 1968 took away the rights. Based on Bruen interpretation, I predict that this will be overturned before the end of Trumps term in office.

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Which is why we have the 2nd Amendment.

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Just a picture of Americans lining up in Denver for a warrantless search of their person and belongings by government agents as a condition of getting on a plane. Happens every single day everywhere these is an airport in spite of the 4th Amendment’s plain language,

“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

The Constitution died some time ago in spite of the 2nd Amendment. It died on the altar of security – “We have to do this to keep you safe.”

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IMHO, planes are a special case. “Warrantless” search? ABSOLUTELY. But warranted? I believe so. As a recent event has shown, a drop of only 300 feet to the ground is fatal in almost all cases, let alone a drop of 7 miles. Commercial air travel could hardly even be conceived of in 1782.
Is checking passengers demeaning, and an invasion of private space? Of course. Do you have the option of NOT subjecting yourself to it by using another (albeit less desirable) method of travel? YES, you do. This is very different than the gestapo asking for your papers. Would I feel better if everyone on the plane had a firearm? (Or, a GRENADE) Not really, because it only takes One determined person to risk the lives of everyone on board in a situation where GRAVITY rules.

“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”
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The OPERATIVE word here is UNREASONABLE.

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Warranted? Probably, a violation of the 5th? Yep.
Not that much different. Identify yourself, prove it, Disclose where you are going, Prove it, Anything dangerous in your bag, Prove it on the X-ray machine, Anything dangerous on your person, Prove it in the X-ray machine.

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HEY! That’s ME!
In the Blue shirt!
They caught my good side!
Man that makes me look FAT! :rofl:
OK Achmed SPREAD 'EM! :clown_face:

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Ya know I’ve found more Guns than anybody else in my former company on the Metal Detector’s.
People I saw everyday tried to pull a fast one just so they could get me fired. I was good @ my job. And that’s folk’s coming INTO the Bernalillo County Office Complex, not an Airport or Train Station. I GET IT, people want to protect themselves DUH! But if you work in a place that has the friggin’ BEST Detectors why would you be so stupid and Poke the Bear?
Did they get their Jollies trying to pull a fast one? (and Losing their high paying jobs?)
‘Oh, I was just testing these wanna be Cops!’ one idiot said (as they put the bracelets on him)
Did I LIKE doing it?
That’s not the question
THAT WAS MY JOB!
Would I put as much effort into flipping Burgers? YES, I would try and make the best damn Burger every time.
Now @ the Airport it’s been said (ad Nauseum) Just how many weapons get passed the TSA!
Sorry to disappoint but NOT ME!
The smart folk’s put their weapons in a lock box in their checked bag. I see them all the time and they are passed through no sweat.
If you’re going to fly why the hell just do that?
These College Basketball players are the worst offenders
Born to play B-Ball, told they are the Second coming (can do whatever they want on Campus)
Out in the REAL WORLD they open up a can of :poop: Carrying in their waste band
or in their carry-on.
(and NO they don’t just ‘Get away with it’ They get HOSED big time Federal Offense
all sorts of BSH comes down on them. It’s just ‘Rules for thee bullsh!t’
I don’t like busting people
BUT IT’S MY JOB.

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