I just know that in the real world, for a long time, OIS and DGU are both about a 20% hit rate. That just is what it is.
Fortunately lawful self defense gun uses very rarely involve an innocent bystander being hit.
Yes, if you want a one shot immediate stop of your imminent deadly threat, physiologically you probably need to take out the CNS. Going for that probably increases your chances of a complete miss that endangers others though, heads are small and tend to move a lot and a miss high is going to hit nothingâŠâhigh center massâ is less likely to one shot stop, but easier to hit overall
Theres a reason most people have gone away from wheel guns. Not to say with proper practice and training you wont be the next Jerry Miculek, but its pretty improbable.
And if you want .357 power in a semi auto, buy a 10mm.
At the end of the day, so long as you practice and train your manual of arms, its all a moot point
My wheel Gun is at TK customs. I am getting it cut for moon clips and removing all the metal injection molding for CNC machined parts. Having it cut for moon clips will be able for faster reloads than a speed loader. ( that is my theory, at least). A wheel gun in a defense situation will be as affected as any semi-auto pistol. How many rounds do I need if I have good shoot placement like a few others stated? Three at the most, and any more than 3, I am in a dam shoot-out. Before I ship my Smith and Wesson to TK, I shot about 600 rounds, a mix of.357 and 38. I was in tune with my round account. It was like my mind and body knew when i had one more round left. I find this critical because everything slows downs when I shoot, meaning I know I only have six shoots; I will make each one count.
It is about psychology/behaviors. I have a Glock with 20 rounds mag, so I can shoot and miss and do not worry too much about running out of bullets type of mentality. But, for a revolver, what sticks in my head shi#$#$# I got six rounds to stop this threat; make each one count.
How many of us practice reloading while off-lining to the right or left? Standing still and doing reload drills is a bad habit to get into from my training. I do not want to be a stationary target.
My point - I am a civilian and will carry six rounds of .357 and a spare moon clip. With my training, I can protect my family with six rounds. Yes, I will still carry my 1911 and 2011 now and then.
Moon clips are why Jerryâs reloads are so fast. Theyre significantly faster than the traditional twist lock speed loaders if your practiced on it and it helps with positive extraction of all rounds at a single time.
As i said, it really all comes down to how much you train with it and how good you are with the manual of arms in whatever you chose to carry. Jerry has a super highspeed comparison of him shooti g a 1911 vs his revolver, mechanically speaking the revolver is faster. It doesnt have to wait on recoil to cycle. Youre cycling it literally as fast as you can move your finger. All that being said i cant afford the ammount of ammo he shoots in a month on my entire yearly budget lol
Curious about the revolvers which offer dual calibers in one, both .410 shot gun and 45 caliber cartridge. Some might even have 45 ACP ability, further expanding. Then in shot gun, since no âchokesâ, it can take bird, buck or slug. Made me think about having the versatility.
I thought about it when I picked up a .410 shot gun/.22 rifle combo, OA, by Chiappa just the other day.
Recently, when fishing, ran into some Coyotes. Brought some mace/pepper spray, but if had to use a handgun, I might prefer shot gun load as less chance it could injure a person, as opposed to a bullet.
I see some made by Smith Wesson and Taurus (45/410). Would it make for a good deep woods CCW? Maybe not as accurate for me as Iâm with a pistol, but certainly spiked my interest, in an otherwise handgun highly criticized,
âŠgenerally, âgun savvyâ guys, or professionals, you wonât find any of them carrying such a firearm other than for something specialized like snakes.
Want a revolver? .357 mag. Want probably better overall because of capacity, semi auto in a typical handgun cartridge
I own a judge public defender. Its pretty meh as a platform honestly. They pattern birdshot absolutely horribly past 5 feet and the shotgun hulls have a nastty habbit of sticking themselves in the cylinder after firing it making reloading with any speed a pipedream. Its ok for snakes but in all honesty id probably rather have a good shovel for that task lol
I will say they work pretty well with .410 dragons breath rounds for starting burn piles lol
Thanks. Now that you mention it, I saw a video of that Taurus lock up the cylinder. Iâm still curious bout the Smith Wesson version, but pricy, maybe hard to find. Fascinating concept to me.
Buddha I the sun, I figured that out I carry my 357, that does use 38,s as well. And I carry my m&p S&W ,9 for my back up and that works for me , and I get my old west look we my revolver GRATE , GOD BLESS Bobby Jean Debbie ann AMEN
My mentality is that I need to stop the threat as quickly as possible before they harm me or anyone else. So I try to make each round count regardless how many I have loaded in the firearm.
Iâm more of a pistol fan because more rounds give more options to better handle more situations. Especially if multiple attackers are involved.
I do own one revolver that takes moon clips though. I havenât practiced enough to get anywhere near JM speeds but reloads can be fairly quick. Though still significantly slower for me than semi auto mag changes which I am very unlikely to have to do in most SD situations given the extra rounds in the pistol.
You do have to be carful with the moon clips though. Some hold the rounds so tight that if the clip gets the slightest bend they wonât drop in the cylinder easily. And some hold them so loosely that if the cylinder is held at a slight angle away from vertical all the rounds donât line up. It can lead to some additional fumbling if the rounds donât have a good fit and you donât keep the clips from getting bent. Which I think could easily happen if you are carrying them loose in a pocket. Even in a holder it could happen pretty easily if you bump into a wall or the ground. Even the higher quality moon clips are pretty thin pieces of metal.
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