My Scottish Rite Masonic temple is in canton and it is a rough city and I am also a retired LEO. This guy needs to go. This, however is my thoughts. Every decision we make in our actions is based upon our perception of the situation. Still we kind of gamble. Here most of us would “gamble” that MOST cops are not nuts like this guy and are reasonable people. In my years in LE, I would say this guy was not what you would normally deal with 99% of the time. So I guess we have to play the odds. Do we meet this guy, who is the 1% or maybe fail to announce you are carrying and meet that rookie that gets scared and shoots you? Like i said, we all have to access the situation and then make a decision. I have been stopped before with a gun in my bag on the floor of my Jeep coming home from work. I kept my hands on the wheel, told him I am a cop getting off the job and that I have a firearm in the bag. I nodded to it on the floor. He said…go home and get some sleep. Just my thought!
Good point. I recently drove to CO by way of UT (I have a nonresident permit not honored by CO) and I noticed how I felt uneasy as soon as I entered CO.
I’ve been pulled over four times within the last 22 years (one resulted in a ticket for stupidly speeding) and my observation was cops aren’t in a hurry to get out of their patrol cars. Perhaps, gathering whatever’s needed for the interaction (hat, pen, paper, etc.).
I made a similar comment recently that, when pulled over, I could easily get my wallet from back pants pocket, take drivers license and CCW permit, then put both hands on steering wheel, in under a minute.
When I hand my DL and permit, that’s me complying with duty to inform. It’s usually followed by the cop asking, “are you carrying right now?”
In Oregon, no, because the good socialists keep very good records on ze citizens, our CHL is attached to our DMV records, so police know the moment they run your plates. Otherwise I’d just hand over my CHL with my ODL and all is well.
Laws that require a CCW permit holder to inform LE on contact are based on the utterly bogus assumption that anyone with a gun – including someone who has jumped through the hurdles to get a CCW permission slip – is a potential threat to LE. If you state has such a law, the first thing you should do is vote against your state legislator (and tell him why you are doing that).
In Oklahoma you do not have to inform an officer but this is good advise. I have been on both sides of this issue, as my son is also, and every LEO I know will greatly appreciate the heads up and puts them greatly at ease.
When stopped, I have made it a habit of having DL insurance and my vehicle registration ready to give to the officer before he gets to the window.
He asked to see my license, and I hand them all three.
Which prompts the reply from the officer ,
I didn’t ask for all that I just asked for your drivers license.
Ok…Sorry to ruin your divided attention test.
He Goes back to the squad, runs my license finds I have a permit to carry comes back to the vehicle and says . Why didn’t you tell me?
What?
That you have a permit to carry a concealed weapon?
you didn’t ask?
Silence, pause,
Are you carrying?
Yes.
Officer. Can I see your insurance and registration?
I hand him only my insurance card.
Officer. How about the registration?
I remind the officer that my vehicle is licensed for under 10,001 pounds, I do not need to carry my vehicles registration .
And that he’s just going to run my plates anyway and he will find out if I’m the registered owner or not.
I see that look on his face and I realize I am not going to get off with a warning.
But lo and behold, I guess my tone of voice wasn’t a sarcastic as I thought it was, and I received a warning for window tint being to dark.
Anthony 373 they never asked me what they already knew and know that never asked me and I have been carrying twenty years and I have never been asked they know we just visit I have not had a ticket in 23 years not even a warning. They love me Bobby Jean
I had the same experience, however, I wont bet that every LEO, in every location is guaranteed not to turn out irrational or anti-2A or feel a threat just because. Even in a pro-2A state. For this reason, dont go above and beyond of what the law requires, even if Mas Ayoob disagrees.
I can’t remember the last time I’ve been pulled over for anything, but my plan has always been to show my CCW card with my DL. Surprisingly, CA is not a duty to inform state. But I’d rather be the one to bring it up than to have it be a surprise if it came up later. Just like with my attitude and tone of voice, I consider it to be respectful behavior. And I don’t want them to be caught off guard if I’m asked to exit my truck and my shirt isn’t covering everything or I’m printing or ??? It’s better if they already know than to have them rapidly respond to that new information.
It appears he wasn’t informed despite the person trying, so, I’d guess…the same way.
My perspective indicates that most generally law abiding individuals are not asked to exit the vehicle during a traffic stop, as such, a concealed IWB pistol under clothing under a seat belt etc is rather unlikely to be found out by means other than the officer being told.
I definitely think it is wise to inform, whether required or not, if getting out of the vehicle with the firearm on your person.
When a LEO asks you to step out of the car and you are carrying, that would be a good time to inform the LEO nicely! I would say, “I guess this would be a good time to inform you I have a CWP, and I am carrying at 4 O’clock.” Then follow his instructions on what to do.
You got a point, but the way I see it is that when I hand over my DL and he runs it through the computer in his cruiser, he’ll know that I have a CCW permit. So it makes no sense to not just hand over both. I’m pro-active, there’s no “why didn’t you tell me? [does that guy have something to hide?]” kind of situation.
I have no duty to inform, in my state and I have no requirement to discuss my day with the officer at the door of my vehicle.
It has nothing to do with being impolite.
I do not discuss .what possessions of mine I may, or may not have in my vehicle.
If the officer asks if I am caring, I will be honest and answer him.
I do not answer questions as to where I’m coming from or to where I’m going.
When I’m asked these questions, I politely reply. How is that relevant to this stop.
There is no need to ask someone to exit their vehicle, unless the intent is a roadside sobriety check or to arrest them.
When he runs my drivers license, he will find out. I have a permit.
He will also find out if I have any warrants, or if I have a valid drivers license all things I did not disclose before.
I had an instructor that called it “diarrhea of the mouth,” when people would just start talking and won’t stop telling you everything under the sun.
I don’t recall out-of-state being stipulated before, none of my prior responses have been specifically about out-of-state.
But, provided not disclosing is legal…how might it result in adverse, unintended consequences? (bearing in mind we have all seemingly agreed it’s good to disclose before getting out of the car if the gun is on you)
I’ve always held the opinion that a nervous cop can be a dangerous cop, and if schitt goes sideways, then the courts/grand jury will almost always rule in favor of qualified immunity.
I obey traffic laws, and I haven’t been stopped by law enforcement in over 20 years, but I also recognize that LEOs have a dangerous job, and the very last thing that I want to do is cause some rookie cop to be in fear for his life.
I have never informed an officer that I am carrying. I’ve been pulled over once in state while carrying. I was at work out of state where I am legal and the cop met me at the border (forgot to turn my lights on and it was at dusk.) He didn’t ask. I didn’t tell. He was polite, kind, and professional. I got a warning.
I make the calls to the cops at work when we need something. I greet them when they pull on the premises. I’ve never informed. I’ve never been asked by an officer.
One time when I called, dispatch asked if anyone involved in the concern had a firearm. I responded that I had a concealed carry permit. They told me to simply keep it put away. I actually took it off and put it in a safe and told dispatch that’s what I was doing. Cop never asked about it. I probably didn’t have to do that. But frankly, I was a bit nervous. Many of our customers are cops. A couple of them heard the call on the radio so they are aware that we have at least one person at my workplace that carries.
SWAT is gonna use our facilities for training soon. I sat across the table from two SWAT guys and a guy from dispatch. I talked enough gun stuff and introduced myself as the guy overseeing security matters. They heard enough from me to guess I carry. They never asked. And I actually wasn’t carrying at the time for reasons.
There is a case in my context for informing. And that’s if they have to respond, I am likely to be involved and they are less likely to shoot me. I understand the risk. I also understand the statistical likelihood of that is very low.
Many of our customers are cops. A couple of them heard the call on the radio so they are aware that we have at least one person at my workplace that carries.