Never a bad idea. Get it straight from the horse’s mouth
But, I also promise you that you got the same answer in this thread, including from a moderator and copy/paste/link to the policy itself. 
Still, if you call, you’ll likely learn at least one other thing you didn’t know about the membership while you are on the line (or chat in, bottom right corner of the member site)
Thank you for the clarification.
Gary Satkiewicz
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1 and 2 are not the same
Occupational Use
(1) Any “insured’s” conduct in providing any kind of law enforcement, corrections,
recovery, repossession, emergency medical, fire or rescue services, whether or not
for compensation or a fee, including any injury or damage caused by or arising from
such conduct.
(2) Any “insured’s” conduct in providing security or safety services for monetary
compensation or a fee, including any injury or damage caused by or arising from
such conduct.
The whether or not for compensation or a fee is law enforcement, corrections, recovery, repossession, emergency medical, fire, or rescue services. This is under (1)
security or safety services is under (2).
The stuff at (2) is what is applicable to volunteer church security and it states " for monetary
compensation or a fee"
Tim directly quoted from the UFCIC policy on which members are additional insureds.
https://www.deltadefense.com/public/self-defense-liability-policy.pdf
All of which is to say, volunteer church security (not for monetary compensation or a fee) is not itself an exclusion from coverage for any lawful act of self defense not otherwise excluded
Welcome @Vipertech1971!!
Apologies if someone has posted this already, I was so excited to see this topic as I am in the same boat
Are you going to the USCCA expo in September?? There are FIVE opportunities to take a 3 hour church security seminar!!
It is $100 and space is limited. Www.usccaexpo.com. My hubby and I have signed up.
There are also likely free seminars that may cover similar training, but this one seems very in depth.
TB09, Thanks for the welcome. I’ve enjoyed reading the posts of fellow armed citizens on here.
I’d like to eventually attend a USCCA expo but we’re already doing a big vacation outing prior to that so the funds won’t really be available. Maybe next year.
I’ll probably pick up the USCCA book about church security so I can begin to learn more about it.
Have a great day!
Call (example, number on back of membership card) or chat in on the site and you can get 20% off the book at the moment
One of the most comprehensive and best trainers on this topic is Ed Monk of Last Resort FIrearms Training.
He has a series of customized classroom, seminar, and live fire classes for active shooter and church security.
He has been on the road nationwide since Uvalde, but you may be able to bring him to you.
Here is a recent training calendar from Ed.
To see some of his training, see the series on ASP Extra, Active Shooter Interdiction.
Another solid resource is John Correia’s Church Safety playlist.
(Remember John is also an experienced pastor.)
1000%!!
I recall that in part of his presentation, he broke down the potential death toll minute-by-minute. It emphasized the need to have a plan on site and not wait for help.
Here are some resources I follow. These are not really USCCA sources, so I apologize for going off topic.
Sheepdog Church Security Training Academy (the website was already referenced). They do a church safety member certification course for somewhere around $90 to $100. They offer group discounts and season priced reductions as well. It’s pretty good. There is a lot of review if you are into this stuff, but if you have folks who’ve never thought this stuff through, they will learn a lot. I took the course and it was worth my time. I’ve not been able to gently convince my team to take it. The guy who runs this site has a YouTube channel. He’s an Iraq veteran who did military police work for some of the highest profile prisoners in Baghdad.
The Faith Based Security Network is worth looking at. I’m not a member. I did attend a church security seminar at which Carl Chinn presented (who runs this site) along with Jimmy Meeks and David Grossman. This seminar was basically why you should do something and how you should get started. It looks like they are still doing these seminars. See here. Carl Chinn tracks incidents of violence at faith-based property. His book, Evil Invades Sanctuary, is worth reading. Carl was involved in a hostage situation when he worked at Focus on the Family and was also involved in response to a church shooting at a mega church in Colorado (Sorry, I forget the name of the church. No disrespect intended). His book addresses this.
Another good source is Worship Service Academy. Once you get on their email list, you get a lot of emails. So I honestly don’t read through much anymore. There is also a podcast here (for Apple).
I would also recommend reaching out to your local emergency management folks in your state or county. Our county department of emergency management provided a free of charge multi-session training module specifically for churches. They did CPR, Stop the Bleed, Active Shooter, general emergency management, and they provided a ton of resources. This included an app just for churches that provided a ton of resources.
Your insurance company is another treasure trove of information. For example, here is the church security section of Brotherhood Mutual Insurance Company’s website. (Brotherhood is the third largest church insurance company. Church Mutual is number one and provides some resources as well, but since we aren’t insured with them, I’m not as familiar.) This page of their website lists some trainers that they recommend.
Another source of good information is Church Law & Tax. This is the nation’s foremost resource of legal and tax information for churches. Here is their search results for the word “security.”
Everyone on your team should watch/listen to David Grossman’s seminar on the bulletproof mind. I have listened to it multiple times and saw it in person. It’s time to listen to it again. It’s 3 hours, 20 minutes long. I believe the USCCA marketed and sold this as a video series at one point. Highly recommended.
Speaking of Grossman, here is his Grossman Academy. I’ve not taken any of these courses.
Another reference is this book: Pistol in the Pulpit. I’ve never read it.
Personally, I am not sure that church security is super specific to churches in many ways. I think a lot of the self-defense knowledge applies universally. So, anything self-defense seems to have a church application in my humble opinion.
Wow! You’re a wealth of information! Thanks a bunch for all the input. I’ll definitely work through it and see what’s a good fit for our church.
It definitely has to fit your church. Great point!
If I come across anything else, I’ll add to it.
Here’s a book by the Sheepdog church security guy. I bought it, but have not read it.
Also, someone sent me this link. It might have some helpful stuff in it.
Awesome, thanks for the info
Just came across these. They look very interesting. This is all conflict de-escalation scenarios for churches.
You got a bit, but here’s my advice.
YOU’RE GOING TO WISCONSIN!
You will have a fun time at the USCCA expo, and you will sign up for Donna Anthony’s church security class.
It is absolutely worth it.
Oh need to sign up?
CLICK THE LINK!
HAVE FUN!!!
Absolutely worth it, I went in November!
I have a subscription to Kindle Unlimited, and found several relevant books are free to read if you have Kindle Unlimited.
Securing Church Operations - A Seven-Step Plan for Ministry and Church Security Leaders, by Simon Osamoh (Good)
Active Shooter Mitigation - A Training Guide for Houses of Worship, by Kris Moloney (Good)
What they Don’t Tell You About Church Safety, by Bryan Donihue (Very Good)
Defending the Flock - A Security Guide for Church Safety Directors, by Kris Moloney (Good)
Here are a couple of related thoughts:
1 I’m on the security team of two churches, but both want only police or armed forces members to actually carry firearms while serving on the security team. The rest of us, both with and without CCWs have radios to call for help if we see anything. This may be an insurance requirement for the church, but might be a reason for a CCW holder not to join such a team.
2 An under 3 oz Pepper gel, a bright flashlight, a folding pocket knife, and a sturdy pen all add less than lethal options in time of trouble. One police member of our team also carries a Taser.
If they are only scenarios, with no suggested ways of dealing with the issues presented, $22 seems a bit pricey. On the other hand, I’ve actually seen some of these issues at church over the years, so having a plan for dealing with them seems wise.
I agree that the price seems high.
With regards to the suggested ways of dealing with them, I wonder how helpful that would be. On one hand, I can see how it would be very helpful. On the other hand, each situation is different and each church culture is different.
I am considering buying a set and using them as follows. Email my team with the scenario each week and ask them to reply all with their suggested response. Then I might respond at the end of the week with what I think would be the best response.
If your church is implementing a security team, I would highly recommend that the church add a law enforcement/armed security rider to their liability insurance policy. It protects the organization and those who are providing the security service.
man I wish I knew that about 4 months ago 
