Carry in populated areas, specifically concerts

Hello all, i am looking for guidence and explanation to rules associated with carrying your guy in buidling or venues where metal detectors are in place. Example, i go to a sporting event where lots of people are in attendence, with legal documents for carry permit we are restricted from carrying in the venue. Would that not be the place you want to carry? Why do they have the right to stop you?

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It means turn around, secure your firearm in your vehicle, then enter the venue.

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I understand that but why? Why is that a rule if i am authorized to carry other places.

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I think privately owned venues have the right to make their own rules, like “No shoes, no shirt, no service”

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We also privately own our money :dollar: so we can bring our business elsewhere.
Sadly, that’s not always practical, like attending a child’s school event.

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A few years ago an attorney was turned away from her young daughter’s concert because facial recogniction connected her to the lawfirm in litigation with the corporation that owned ithe venue.

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Greetings & welcome to the community, William1144, we’re glad that you’ve chosen to join us!

The locations where firearms are restricted/prohibited vary by state, though many do restrict in places where large numbers of people gather, such as sporting venues & facilities. The reason, which is arbitrary, is generally “for the safety of others”.
Would many of us, including myself, like to be able to carry in these places? Yes, absolutely. Ultimately, it’s up to the state and/or the city/town/county and in some cases the facility itself.

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To me it means turn around secure your firearm on your self and leave

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Yes, when it’s up to me to take my business someplace else.

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Any private entity can prohibit firearms from being brought / carried onto their premises.

Most are concerned with their legal liability, and it might be a requirement of an insurance company policy covering the venue or event.

As a law abiding responsible gun owner you know that you would be in violation of the law bring a firearm into a prohibited :no_entry_sign: location risking the penalties of the law and maybe even having your carry permit revoked. Yes, people smug prohibited items into entertainment venues all the time, like alcohol and snacks in into movies :popcorn:. You are reasonable for your own actions.

TSA confiscates firearms and arrests those bring them into airports all the time, people think that they can “get by” and use the excuse that “I forgot” all the time, but 1-loose their firearm, get charges with a crime, are arrested and have to deal with all that entails, pay court fine and fees, maybe a hefty FAA fine and banned from flying. As, one example.

Is it really worth any of that?

I understand where you are coming from, none of us wants to feel naked and defenseless in any situation and thinks:

“Hey, I’m a legal good guy, why should I yield to giving up my protection in any situation?”

Unfortunately it is what it is.

There is no shortage of stupid people, sober or intoxicated, wherever we go, and could have a run in with anybody anywhere.

That said, hopefully no one will have smuggled a gun in and be armed either.

A-you can play by the rules

B-take your chances and risk the consequences…

C-stay out of prohibited :no_entry_sign: places

D-maybe not get caught, and maybe don’t have to use your EDC?

E-maybe do have to use your EDC and deal with that fallout?

Ultimately, it’s your choice.

But, it’s an informed decision that only you are responsible for.

Just know that the wrong decision might not turn out as well as you might hope.

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In local venues in my state if you see metal detectors or they are searching purses or backpacks you’ll also see the sign no weapons of any kind. You’ll also be prohibited from entering with “anything” considered a weapon. Pepper spray, knives of any kind, and tactical pens can fall into this category and entrance is denied. Yep, you have a permit, but it’s like a driver’s license, we still have restrictions whether we like it or not.

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I know around here it’s a “Private Property” thing. I asked the promoter of the Fights I went to last month why they would promote MMA fighting and self defense while disarming those in attendance. He used the very weak but common answer, “It’s the Insurance Companies requirement.”

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Also remember the mall defender in Indiana. Guys came in to shoot the place up, he took them out and liberals wanted to hang him because he ignored the no guns sign. Didn’t matter he saved many lives. That sign and their anti-gun agenda comes first.

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Yeah what Frank said …
Here are the Cliff Notes…

It is better you die innocent … Then protect it …

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It would be better to abolish gun free zones.

End that problem altogether.

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Which state?

They have the right to stop you, generally, because it’s private property. Classic case of if you don’t like their rules, stay off their property/out of their buildings.

Because they don’t want random people with guns in their crowded venue. If it’s their property/venue, it’s their decision

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The event caused controversy but the practice was ruled legal

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If I’m right, arenas, concert halls and stadiums are considered nuisance areas.
Treat these places like an airport, post office or communist country!
In addition, personally I wouldn’t keep it stored in my vehicle!

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Maybe they, their legal and / or insurance types are risk adverse.

That’s their prerogative.

Government entities like any federal properties, prisons, police stations, courts, airports, offices, etc.

State, County, and Municipal jails, courts, offices, police stations, schools generally are all gun free.

Exceptions recently are State and National Parks generally adopt their jurisdiction’s gun permit laws, requires a permit to carry in permitted parts of the park.

Not Permitless Carry yet.

Maybe with the adoption of the National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act some more ground will be broken.

Fewer prohibited places likely will take separate legislation.

We have a big problem with firearms not properly secured in vehicles outside prohibited :no_entry_sign: places being stolen and used in other crimes from armed robberies to murders.

Example: if there is a school function or school students present in a park, that area becomes a gun free - prohibitive area that they occupy.

The Great Smoky Mountain National Park straddles both Tennessee and North Carolina, and each part of that park enforces the state laws that it is in.

Generally, if you have a Carry Permit from either state as they have reciprocity with each other you can carry throughout the park obeying the state laws whose jurisdiction you are in.

For example each state restricts a different type of ammunition, one explosive ammunition the other armor piercing ammunition.

Regardless of which state, the park prohibits guns in their facilities buildings: Maintenance, Offices, Visitor Center, Ranger Station that type of thing.

So, generally inside is prohibited, and outside w/o school kids or functions is allowed.

There will likely always be some prohibited :no_entry_sign: places regardless of carry permits.

But, there may be fewer in the future as state and national parks only relevantly recently allow carrying with a permit.

My state is also a Permitless state, but still requires a permit in parks, I hope that changes.

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Not happening

(don’t really want it to, either, personally)

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