Aside from USCCA, what other legal defenses do you use for an in-home incident

Got them at gun show, didn’t see them for smaller gauges

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Looks like they do have them, https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1002099915/lightfield-home-defender-less-lethal-ammunition-20-gauge-2-3-4-double-rubber-balls-box-of-5 (this is not an endorsement just a link for example).

I’m on the fence about less-lethal rounds. If I need to draw my gun, I’m in imminent danger of death or grave bodily harm… a less-lethal round doesn’t necessarily have the stopping power of a 9 mm round.

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One problem with “less lethal” self defense tools is that it can create a mentality where one may tend to use that level of force when it is not lawufl.

legally too you are on shaky ground because even less lethal is lethal and so the rules governing the use of deadly force will still apply in any state that does not make specific exceptions for same and while they may exist I’m not aware of any that make such allowances for any of the less lethal firearms ammunition.

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An unethical prosecutor would attempt to use such a doormat against you.

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Even an ethical prosecutor would use it against you. They are ethically bound to use whatever evidence they have in determining whether or not to charge and to leave their own bias out of the equation. Of course, simply being human makes that very difficult but still, it’s part of the job.

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That is why we should appear to be an benign as possible, not give them any opportunity.

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Exactly. If you get into any sort of incident involving a gun you want to have not only a clean criminal record but a spotless online and personal record.

Anything you’ve ever done to indicate you would use a gun irresponsibly, or out of malice is probably going to be found and used against you.

We do a lot of laughing and joking about things like “Kill’m all and Let God Sort’m Out” bumper stickers, Tee Shirts and such or make cracks online like, “Well officer I was scared so I shot him in the face” as a defense but those are the very kinds of things that can make the difference between being charged and given a clean pass, or worse, between being found guilty or innocent if you go to trial.

They will absolutely be used against you in any civil action unquestionably.

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@Gerald and @WildRose - you’re right. That’s why I have the doormat inside. Will it be brought up if I ever have to physically defend myself? Maybe. However, I have so much evidence to show how I really feel about carrying, my ethical stance, my training, and my dorky sense of humor, that a good attorney will be able to defeat that argument from a prosecuting attorney pretty quickly.

My personal social media profiles do have a bit more edge/are very direct in my arguments about the right to carry and the 2nd Amendment, however, it’s still all based in fact and education. I try to be as positive as possible when having any sort of discussion about carrying and will walk away from an online conversation if the other party starts name calling.

The sheer volume of positive, education interactions I can pull up will destroy any argument that something cheesy like the doormat is how I really feel.

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I am on the fence with audio and video recording. I have cameras with sound outside so I know when someone is coming. I do not want any inside. Any evidence from the camera can be used as exculpatory evidence for you and the would be aggressor.

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@MikeBKY My old buddy lost his gun rights in court. He and his wife went on a mini vacation. His laptop computer was on because he used that computer as the controller for the cameras inside and outside his house. He has another computer for other uses which computers are used for. To give a little history of my friend, this is his first marriage and her third marriage. His stepdaughter is a minor as well as her boyfriend age 16 stayed home did not want to go with them as kids that age think they know everything and stepchildren can be brutal as I am told. Well anyway the stepdaughter apparently had an inappropriate party in the house with her boyfriend; and the cameras were taking photos of the stepdaughter and her boyfriend all weekend she knew about the camera placements but was unaware that pictures were being taken until she started examining the computer. The young child never wanted the mother to marry my friend but she did marry him and the kid did not approve. Before my friend and his wife returned home from their little weekend break from the kid and just to have a little time alone with his wife, well the stepdaughter called the local police and the police when she discovered pictures being taken they confiscated his laptop computer and his firearms he was arrested upon returning from the mini vacation and has lost his Second Amendment because of indoor cameras taking pictures in living room and other non-bedroom areas in the house. He may get them restored at some point in the future but no time soon. If there was no inside cameras the girl could not have complained about being photographed without permission and none of this would have occurred if there was no camera placement in the house.

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I’m sorry, @Robert8, I’m not following. Why did he get arrested? Security cameras in the home are nothing new.

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Oh So Sorry Dawn, let me clean it up and finish it off some more.

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It was because of a resentful stepdaughter and the type of pictures that were being taken without permission from the kid. I’m not an expert but inappropriate pictures are not something normal and if my friend had been home and not gone those pictures would never have happened

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Thanks for clarifying. I thought that was what you were referring to, but didn’t want to assume too much.

If she knew about the camera and carried on that way, wouldn’t permission be implied?

I’ll let the legal experts weigh in on that if they care to. :confused:

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That is nuts! Presumably the little wretch knew the camera’s were there and the whole thing was a setup. And those images would definitely fall in to the child porn category.
Again, I have camera’s outside my house and in my garage and do have some amazon devices that are convenient but, as i know, have to be listening to everything to know when to wake up as well as several computers with cameras and microphones. But I have nothing set up to record unattended inside my home. God only knows what they would catch the cat and dog doing while I am away from home.

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Know Well friends, he lives in Cook County and she’s a minor and from what I know she is passionate about hating my old buddy. Cook County Gun culture is against legal gun owners and against people who understand their rights. The people who catch a break in Cook are the criminal elements. I know Megan goes through here, and Dawn and Mike said his daughter goes to school downtown Chicago I thought. Just please guys be careful what you say and everything

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My buddy is really serious about the Second Amendment Mike, originally he is from Europe and he hates the communist dictatorships he had to live under. He became a citizen a long time ago and he loves America and our freedom he hates the Democrats he calls them “Commies”

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I didn’t realize it was in the Capital of the Socialist Republic of Illinois. That answers a lot! And yes my daughter is in Chicago but is a lawyer at the firm where Brett Kavanaugh was once a partner. Her firm is very proud of that but, way too many years of academia transformed my conservative baby girl in to that which shall not be named.

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Maybe she’ll revert back with a little time let us hope

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I’m hoping her time at the ultra conservative law firm helps.

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