Army’s New XM7 Rifle Ignites Debate on Ammunition Capacity

It wasn’t about what could or could not be made but about mag size. That being said my first comment was answering dons question not yours, sorry if you misunderstood me.

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I concur.

If technician “A” has a Colt 1911 with an 8 plus 1 capacity and Technician “B” has a Beretta 92A1 with a 17 plus 1 capacity, who has more firepower"

Of course, the logical answer would be Technician “C” who has the Benelli M4 12-gauge with an extended magazine.

Truth be told, if I am out in the boonies somewhere and get jumped by a group of people who don’t want me out in the boonies somewhere, I want to have as many rounds as I can carry in as few magazines as possible.

Just sayin’.

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Because My Good Sir using a ‘Drum’ Mag in CQC IS UNWEILDY!’ Not practical and Heavy a CA-CA!
A Trooper needs a BALANCE of Weight, Firepower, Ease of operation and Ammo amount.
The last thing you want to do is:
A) Run out of Ammo—Therefor letting your zone of coverage (Area of responsibility) falter and possibly getting your Brothers and Sisters killed
B) Faltering yourself because lifting carrying Drum magazines is damn heavy overtime. It’s cool to slap in a drum @ the Range and put it down and get a Coke when you arms get tired, but in the Field people (your) people die Bruh.
Read the article almost everything made sense. Switching to the M-16/M4 was BRUTAL/Pushback from the HIRE’S who some NEVER humped da boonies. It’s easy to sit in your leather desk chair and say:‘We love the M14 we don’t want to give it up!’ But the guy’s in the sh!t, 90 degrees, humping through the rice patties were saying ‘Bring it on’ (Not all were enthusiastic mind you—'It’s PLASTIC—but
hey what are you going to do? Change for some hurts.
All I am saying is IF THE XM7 is RELIABLE? Make a 30 round mag and Grunts would accept it with open arms (prolly) :zany_face:
As I said above I have a BOOT in both sides, If I had 20 round mags and the change out were more frequent? I might be dead. Hairy situations I was in called for as much lead down range as possible (and NOT 'Spray N Pray).
Edit: Question?: Where do you put yer Drum mags?----(on yer Belt/Weapons harness? I don’t think so).
Wellllll, their in my Alice Pack-----BANG! Yer DEAD!

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Exactly, exept 30 round 6.8 mags would be around the size of 45 round 5.56 mags which is why they are not curently standered because it could be too unwieldy, but who knows, a similer thing happened whith the 20 to 30 round mags on the m16 because at first the army wanted to make sure you could use it completly prone just as well as a normal rifle but later changed their minds. Who knows mabye a similer thing will happen here.

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We have carried several brands of drum magazines at my range. All of them are prone to malfunctions (more so than a “conventional” mag). No thanks.

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EGGZACTLY Larry!
I KNOW my Mags will perform. I don’t buy 4.99 ‘Bargain Basement specials’
1/2 are the Metal guy’s I’m use to carrying (Heavier but reliable) the rest are Magpuls.
(and whenever I get extra coin I buy more)

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Well, I looked up a size comparison of the cartridge…


And here’s a side by side 30 round 5.56 and a 25 round 7.62x51

Given that the 6.8 has the case diameter and OAL of the 7.62, and that on SIGs website it says the gun uses AR-10 magazines the new platform only looses 5 rounds per magazine vs the 5.56 for roughly the same size magazines.

Since near peer body armor now defeats 5.56, you can hit the guy 30 times and not take him out of the fight,….

If the 6.8 will beat his armor, then he’s out on the first hit.

For the military I can understand it.

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That pretty much sums it up. If you look close at the round you can see it actually has more powder but with a smaller bullet diameter (I believe that the powder is more powerful too, Im not quite sure though) this means it has much higher chamber pressure and volocity (the reason it needs a hybrid case) which gives it much better armor piercing. As stated before the question is weather chinas body armor is actually that good. (most of Russias armor in Ukraine can be easily pened by 5.56 black tip.

Also most modern armor can only take between 3 and 5 rounds of 5.56 not 30 :nerd_face:

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Finally! Somebody that can explain how joining brass and SS with an aluminum washer handles pressure better than a monolithic brass construction. I’ve been scratching my head trying to understand.

So, please explain :folded_hands:

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I have 1 drum mag. I have run it dry many times, breaking it in, to hopefully ensure it doesn’t falter when I need it. It is a little ungainly to manipulate, doesn’t store anywhere, it’s heavy and takes forever to reload. It has two “PROS” though, the first being the 50-round capacity. The second being if needed, I can grab the stem and beat somebody with the “lollipop” end.

The plan, you see, is to use the drum as my first choice in an altercation. When it is empty, I start using 30-round mags.

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See brother, you’ve actually been there and done that. You know. Some posters, well, they’ve played mortal kombat to the 500,000th level.

Don’t waste your time bro.

Stay safe down there in Cactus Junction buddy. Apparently it’s not okay to deport illegal criminals. I think about your area as I watch the news.

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Couple of things I take into consideration when selecting a cartridge for personal use when hunting, cost, accuracy, distance, recoil, weight and effectiveness. Generally I am looking for something which is cost effective, accurate at the distance I am going to be using it at that does not weigh me down and recoil is tolerable and does the job with a single trigger pull.

The issue with the military is we are dealing with Government Bean Counters who probably are not taking into consideration number of shots taken to kill their target. Now using the old Google it says that 1 out of every 10,000 shots fired by the US Military killed an enemy combatant during Iraq and Afghanistan. Which tells me there are a lot of shots fired that never hit a combatant, which makes sense, suppression fire and what not.

So the question becomes is the extra weight and twice the recoil worth having less bb’s to spray at the enemy. I don’t think so, I don’t think it makes sense to move to the 6.8 when the rest of the world uses the 5.56 and 7.62. Unless you are planning on losing and don’t want your enemies to be able to use ammo they salvaged off your dead.

EDWARD! Welcome to the fold Brother!
You are right where you are suppose to be.
No Worries on the first post flag—Prolly a ‘glitch’ in the USCCA MATRIX ! :zany_face:

Unless you said 'Duck you Don102 ! Then I concur! Rock on Brother
we can’t wait to hear what you have to say!
WWG1WGA
NCSWIC

'Remember what Sun Tsu say’s 'A bird in the hand sometimes makes a mess! ':upside_down_face:

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Welcome to the forum. What @Don102 says.

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His post was a picture of his 6.8 rifle!

Why the heck was THAT flagged!?!???

Hey @moderator what’s going on with all the first post flagging?

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Maybe you need to introduce yourself before making any other posts? :thinking:

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The horror. He posted a picture of his rifle on a gun forum. Nice way to welcome a guy. Sorry Edward, our moderators here are, let’s say, inconsistent, but the folks here are great, and welcome. Please post again.

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Greetings & welcome, Edward!

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The conspiracy theorist in me says that if the sh!t ever hits the fan, the govt can halt production of 5.56 and then only the military will have rifles that work. All those civilian AR15s will be useless.

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Well you can tell the conspiracy theorists in you to take a chill pill and be frosty. The little kid in me says we can all fall down a flight of stairs and never get up.

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