Video proof doesn’t lie. My kid WAS asleep. Not much I can do when the same clique I had issues with in school is now running things at the school and school board where my kids go. So yeah, I can kind of sympathize with some of these kids who go shoot up schools. I wouldn’t do so, I found my outlet through profanity, dark humor and sarcasm. I like my freedom too much to do stupid stuff.
Your stance on “emotional encounters” is off base. I use expletives profusely daily. Just because I cuss somebody out, doesn’t mean I’m going to go shoot them. Call the cops on me all you want, I’m on a first name basis with all the local police thanks to my own profession. They know me, I know them, sometimes we go train together when we can. Even the cops around my area refer to my kids’ school as a sh**hole run by idiots.
Let me be clear, the clique-ishness of this school has run off every good teacher they’ve ever had. If you’re not a part of their clique, you’re not welcome there. And I refuse to be a part of it.
I’m sorry your school is so bad. I encourage you to get on the school board and be the reason they change. Schools are not perfect, I can attest to that. However, reacting emotionally isnt going to get you anywhere except maybe into the local jail. In all seriousness I question whether or not anybody who lacks emotional maturity needs to be issued a CCW. Fight the good fight my friend and help your school district to change. Everyone will be better off for it.
Ok that was a bit harsh, but I needed to vent a little. I actually want to move, my wife not so much. She’s not a big fan of change.
The school my kids go to is garbage and I have to go there frequently and deal with their drama and BS policies way too frequently. When all the kids have smart phones these days, there’s video proof abound. School policy there is to treat the victim worse than the bully. It’s not written, it’s just how they operate. I’m not the only parent with this issue.
Here’s the counter-intuitive part of what I have to say. When I’m carrying, I have an unlimited “fuse” so to speak. It just wont go off. There have been plenty of times where I would have been in the right to lose my cool, and had people even comment about how calm I was when I had every right to blow my top. There is something about carrying that keeps me calm. Maybe not everyone is this way, but this is how it works with me. I’m FAR more likely to get myself into trouble when I’m not carrying honestly.
Video proof is great. Schools use it all the time. If you have proof, video or otherwise, take it to the school board. If they dont act your next stop should be the prosecutors office. Child endangerment is a serious charge and prosecutors are very willing to prosecute whenever there is credible evidence.
I very much agree with your short fuse stance. I’m a bunch more subdued when armed. Not everyone is that way however.
The problem isn’t that they didn’t punish the kid that did it. The problem is that my boy was punished worse for being a victim. That isn’t right.
I agree completely and I’ve seen first hand My point throughout this conversation about bullying is that in order for things to change parents have to become involved at the administrative and school board levels. Be able to present your side in a calm, professional manner and above all, bring proof if it exists. Thanks for sharing your experiences as I’m sure others have dealt with similar issues.
I have to agree with the majority of the posts that a teacher should be allowed to be armed. I feel that it would be more appropriate that the weapon be carried concealed as to not bring any undue attention towards the teacher. Although I live in an “Open Carry” state, I legally carry my weapon concealed for that reason along with providing myself a slight element of surprise so I can draw and aim my weapon on my target without giving any advanced notice that I am armed. Of course the situation will dictate when and how I draw my weapon.
I truly believe that anyone who owns and carries a gun or any weapon should be trained, certified/licensed to carry, and continue to train regularly in order to keep proficient. If a teacher feels confident with their own abilities and conforms to being a responsible gun owner, then they should be allowed to carry a gun while at their job, in the classroom.
Schools that do have armed staff must provide insurance coverage in the event of a shooting. The company’s that I’ve dealt with require significant amounts of training and may require the firearms to be a specific type which are owned by the school.
This isn’t such a bad idea since lawsuits abound after any active shooter situation.
Having inside knowledge relating to armed school staff and the administrative requirements that must be met by school districts coupled with the various comments and positions being posted here has taught me one thing; we need to better educate the public on the proce6and requirements of arming school staff.
Short, to the point, and accurate.
Should teachers be armed? No of course not but we live in a world today where it is becoming increasingly more necessary because of the rising threat to our schools.
No, we’re not suggesting we turn schools into armed camps, no we’re not suggesting teachers should be trained as swat teams and aggressively search our school shooters.
What many of us do advocate for is the right for faculty and staff to be well armed, responsible, and trained to be able to defend themselves and our kids.
In every emergency we are the “First Responders” and we’re negligent if we don’t allow those who truly are “The First Responders” the means and ability to be prepared to stop a threat should it arise.
I’m somewhat proud to say Texas has already shown a lot of leadership on this and from all appearances we’re going to make even greater strides over the next few years.
To parents appalled by the idea of their kids being at the mercy of teachers who might snap at any moment, I’ll just say this. You are already putting the welfare and lives of your kids in their hands every day.
Do we need to arm them all? No, but those who are willing, able, and responsible we absolutely should.
This isn’t about training them to abandon their classrooms to seek out active shooters, that is a whole nuther level of discussion.
Can some who are willing and able be trained to do so if necessary? Certainly, but that isn’t the primary goal of the pro Armed Teachers movement anywhere I’ve seen.
Personally I’d even go further and suggest that faculty/staff willing to be trained in the use of long guns should also have access to secure gun lockers equipped with same.
While handgun certainly beats an eraser or notebook in defending against an attacker with a long gun, they are still at a huge disadvantage in such scenarios.
That insight would be really helpful! What things aren’t we considering, @Michael7?
Something I’m surprised hasnt been brought up and I’m guilty of it also. We arm people in a lot of different places, banks, stadiums, concert venues, we use armed guards to protect politicians and leaders( terms used loosely)
Why is it even a debate about protect our kids and our future?
This is on the extreme side however with the road the world is traveling down I don’t rule anything out.
Years ago in the armed forces (but not anymore) there used to be a “don’t ask/don’t tell policy” Would such a policy work in a school setting regarding concealed carry? Just a thought.
Not condoning anyone doing it (unless its legal) but the good money is there are teachers already armed
In Texas it was debated and publicized very heavily prior to implementation. There are really three different levels. One, is districts simply allow slect individuals who are licensed to carry do so on premise during work hours.
The next requires about 16 hours of training which is very formal.
The third, basically trains selected teams to respond directly to, seek out, and confront active shooters similar to SWAT Teams. This takes 40 hours of intensive training with handguns and long guns.
I can only speak for the school districts I’ve been associated with in Missouri. Most know we are very pro gun and support the individual right to self defense. For a school to arm staff they must first get board approval, purchase insurance coverage that specifically covers armed employees, have those employees trained by a qualified training company and maintain training with frequent requalification sessions. The training I received was at a level I’ve never received before and I was a 20 year weapons instructor in the USAF. Local Leo’s trained with us because they are the ones who would respond if we had an active shooter. Staff who won’t be armed also trained on how to respond. Everyone had a role to play everyone knows what their coworkers would be doing.
I get it that people want to exercise their 2A rights, but think about it. If you happen to be in a school armed when an active shooter starts shooting and there are armed staff or when the police show up YOU just became a major threat and you will get shot.
I carry everywhere I’m legally allowed to but carrying into a school is off limits for me.
Should teachers have the right to defen their self would be a better question.
First off, as I have mentioned elsewhere, I am a teacher at a middle school. I entered the teaching field late in life after several other professions. I teach Computer Applications, Robotics, and Programming.
For a person interested in developing a knowledge that extends well beyond that of most, I recommend reading some of the material published by the Department of Homeland Security and the Secret Service:
I believe they should have the right to be armed if they so choose. I do think it should be concealed and, given the environment of a school, yes, they should get special training if they choose to carry in school.