I am not qualified to determine the details on that.
Unfortunately what a reasonable process should look like is up to our wondrous legislators. I would argue that what they have currently put in place is clearly not reasonable.
I think whatever process they consider should be weighted upon the seriousness of the current crime/s as well as past criminal history. Someone who took a joy ride in a vehicle that the owner left running in a parking lot should not have to jump through as many hurdles as someone who stabbed multiple people during an armed robbery and has a history of previous armed robberies.
It could be part of the parole process where the released criminal had to go a certain length of time without committing new crimes or otherwise violating the terms of their parole. Then violent criminals would maybe have to go through a hearing process where they have to demonstrate they are not likely to repeat their offenses. Evidence to that effect could be holding down a job or community volunteer position and having character references from employers or community members. The victims should have a say at these hearings as well.
There should also be an appeal process in place if those deciding the outcome appear to be applying unreasonable judgements one way or the other.
Those are just a couple of spitball ideas. It should be hard to take peoples rights away. But once violent criminals loose their rights because they harmed others, I don’t think they deserve to get them all back just because they served some time. Unless that time included some serious rehabilitation and proof of a reduced threat to society before release is allowed.
So, who determines what the definition of “Common Sense” is? From what I’ve seen over the years, it has never been determined neutrally. It leans one way in favor of anti-gun advocates and the other way in favor of pro-gun advocates.
I just don’t see how we can get “proof” that someone will be a reduced threat to society. If they go 10 years without committing another violent crime, how has it been proved that they are no longer been a threat to society.
I don’t buy into the notion of “parole” at all. Do the crime, pay the prescribed sentence.
I could list trillions of dollars that both the left and the right have flushed down the toilet. Or more accurately funneled into their own pockets as well as the pockets of their big money backers.
But I think it is apparent that throwing billions of dollars at building more prisons won’t solve all our problems either. There needs to be a broad range of systemic reforms with our justice and economic systems if we want any hope of ever making a reasonable dent in the crime problem.
So someone with a long criminal history of assaulting people with deadly weapons should be handed their knife or gun back upon exiting prison and removed from LEO radar?
There can never be proof it won’t happen again. But there can sure be a reasonable belief with many violent criminals that it will happen again if they don’t demonstrate some effort of trying to change their ways.
I think it is perfectly reasonable to keep an eye on criminals who have been legally proven in court that they are a threat to society. At least until they have demonstrated they have taken reasonable steps to change their ways.
No argument there. We need financial accountability AND moral accountability for elected officials.
Going back to the elimination of reduced sentences, harsher incarceration conditions as a deterrent, and much harsher penalties (like death or castration) for violent crime repeat offenders will help to cull the herd. Public hangings to keep the consequences fresh in potential offender’s minds. Don’t like the laws, you are free to leave.
I don’t understand why you used that particular quote of mine to preface your argument.
For your argument though, I would have to understand the “reasonable steps” people would have to take to prove a change of attitude before I could buy in.
Felons have had these rights revoked by due process of law. The constitution clearly stats that no rights shall be infringed or revoked without due process of law.
If you did not violate the law, any infringement of your rights in unconstitutional.
Kinda sounds like maybe you should consider moving to Saudi Arabia or some of the other middle eastern countries;) They are big on eye for eye justice there.
I agree that prison shouldn’t be made a cake walk for people. Prisoners should be forced to do productive chores that support society in some way. Though I think there should also be efforts to break the revolving door prison cycle. Not every person who commits a crime is an irredeemable who must be culled from the heard. Though our current prison system makes prisoners far more likely to become so.
I am not a big fan of the death penalty because you can’t undo that when you get it wrong. Plus it just shortens the punishment. I’d rather let criminals stew for the rest of their lives over what Devine justice may be coming their way.
I’m also not a fan of public executions. It just has too many similarities to various authoritarian government demonstrations of “justice” for me. Those demonstrations maybe work for a while to control behavior in authoritarian settings but I don’t think they work so well in freer societies.
You said you don’t buy into the notion of parole. Your argument seems to me to be along the lines of - if someone stabs a person they should serve their time, which even in conservative areas is likely only going to be a couple of years, and then be allowed to walk free with all their rights restored.
My argument is that someone who was convicted of a violent crime and shown to be a threat to society does not necessarily deserve to get all their rights back unless they show some evidence they will not do it again.
I proposed a couple of what I think to be reasonable steps. Including a period of “parole” where an eye is kept on them to try and make it a little harder for them to immediately repeat the violent acts that lead to their imprisonment. If they can demonstrate an ability to not repeat their crimes then they should get a chance to have their rights restored. Depending on the seriousness of their crimes.
For instance, I think a pedophile who has raped a child, and certainly one that has raped multiple children, doesn’t deserve to have their right to privacy ever restored. I don’t have a problem with their neighbors being informed they have a potentially serious threat next door even though that threat has served their time. Castrating that threat would in no way guarantee they don’t harm another child.
I believe we are mixing our Laws, Constitution, Prison reform, .gov waste/lack of accountability
here.
a) You are caught in a CRIME you lose your weapon(s) PERIOD
b)Hell NO! You don’t get the back! A Prisoner of War lays down his arms
and surrenders, If released back to his/her Home country he does NOT get his weapons back.
c) BUILD MORE PRISONS? WHY? these people don’t want any of their fellow skell phucks to GO to prison.
d) Change the entire Administration away from Socialist/Communist rule and get back to basics
e) If anyone is AFRAID of ‘Making a mistake’ and sentencing a person to Death for crimes he/she is convicted you should not be put in a position of authority in this decision making.
Do we ever convict/sentence Innocents to Prison? Yes, ships happen. But in this current political climate there should be a Brand spankin’ NEW Prison for all the Criminals who hold office today coast to coast.
f) WE ARE IN TROUBLE HERE, make no mistake. If we keep going down this rabbitt hole w/ this Buffoon and her Chinese loving flagget we will never recover. America will be the next ‘Failed State’.
g) Public Executions would right our ship FAST! It’s NOT supposed to be pretty, It’s supposed to send a message to fellow Crim’s. You do the Crime we lop of your Phuckin’ head.
THAT would be the expedient way to let ALL know what is waiting for them when the break the Law/Rules next time.
h) IF you are a Violent offender (and you live to be sentenced to a jail term) when you get out you should be exempt from purchasing/Carrying a firearm for a certain period of time (depending on offense and severity there of).
i) We are NOT ‘Infringing’ on their rights. They are criminals, you have to re-earn your 2A rights
over a period of time and then they will be reinstated.
j) If a Convicted Felon commits a crime once freed and it is Violent in nature you DIE!
That’s it. You don’t get a third, fourth, fifth etc chance. This is ridiculous.
This is a Great Topic Cameron, and I applaud you and our fellow Gunner’s for keeping this Civil and on topic (Prolly because there are currently a NO TROLL ZONE in effect here (yet)
When we can all sit around the table and hash out a Topic without instigation or Troll foolishness we can actually get some positive work done.
The SYSTEM IS CURRENTLY BROKEN.
WHY? because you have an administration that is not only corrupt, you have these same folks’ who are attempting to destroy that very system we use as the glue to hold us together.
Socialism/Communism doesn’t work in a free society.
Think about this people, These same criminals are trying to destroy the 2nd Amendment, Strip us of our rights, Keep criminals from going to jail (and in that are they PRO-CRIMINAL? or do they just want the bad guys out on the streets to add to the FEAR POWDER and Danger to keep people from living their lives?) Why? because then they can achieve max damage in the efforts to break us down so they can rebuild this country into their Socialist Republic of America that would make all the dead Leaders weep with joy! JOY! I TELL YOU!
In my opinion, It’s not our government’s job to provide extra resources to keep an extra eye on every loser who will not follow the law. (There are just too many.)
Why Sham should we Feed and House these bestards for the rest of their miserable lives when we KNOW they are incapable of acclimating back into society. They have proven they are not worthy of the FREEDOMS we should be enjoying but would continue to cause strife and misery
if they get out again. As for ‘Pedo’s’ they have also PROVEN there is no cure for their ILLNESS.
And they WILL OFFEND AGAIN. Some said here castrate them, I disagree you can still harm, kill an Innocent even though you don’t have the ‘mechanics’ to penetrate that Innocent again.
remember these are really sick, deviant people and when caught should be brought before GOD for true sentencing/forgiveness. It’s not our job to be GOD, it’s our job to arrange the meeting.
I think it would be a much better use of public resources to have the government keeping an eye on the people who have already proven they are a threat to society instead of waisting all their time and all our money spying on all the rest of us who are supposed to be considered innocent until proven guilty.
Therein lies the problem. We think about locking criminals up for crimes and stripping them of their 2A rights as common sense, but where should it end?