5 yard target question

You set the target out at 5 yards or even 3 yards, and you shoot the silhouette, and you are good then you transfer to the A and B targets located on the bottom, and you rounds are hitting low.
Am I the only one who notices the difference at this close of a target?

I notice at 10 yards I am on the A and the B of the target but up close I am hitting the bottom of the squares.

I assume my zero is not set for that close and that low of a shot.

Anyone else experience this?

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I believe it is the angle of the barrel at that distance and when you transition the shots from the silhouette to the A-B boxes instinct may be to put the sights on the center instead of higher on the A-B.
Make sense?

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It makes sense but I find it weird that that close of an aim change it would that low when the other silhouette is only inches above it.

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Gravity. :wink:

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I found this on the internet

Angle/Degree to Cosine Multiplier

Degree of angle - Multiplier of Measured Yards

  • 5 - .99 or 99%
  • 10 - .98 or 98%
  • 15 - .96 or 96%
  • 20 - .94 or 94%
  • 25 - .91 or 91%
  • 30 - .87 or 87%
  • 35 - .82 or 82%
  • 40 - .77 or 77%
  • 45 - .70 or 70%
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I saw Sierra has information on angle and drop -/+ but it was a 200 yards

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I have a weird one for ya. It may be a brain focus not “eyes”. Oddly at the range using our company colt m4s if bore sighted by our armory staff and not sighted to my self, at 100 yards plus I’m pretty much putting my center on the black target Silhouette on the left armpit to drop everything center X . Oddly weird but at least i know it’s consistent. Not sure how one can screw up basic bore sighting from a braced stand… but… So maybe it’s just the mind focus on the larger target that it’s become a memory lock and a simple change in shape and even color just needs a bit more practice time to adjust. Sorry if that didn’t make much sense it’s been a 16 hour morning.

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Sorry something else possibly. I’m tied… focusing on the center target you pick up the circle around the square and fine your mind’s center. Dropping down to “A” and “B” you loose the circle and lock onto the “A” and “B” for center. Maybe lift your center to the top of the “A” and “B”

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I’m going with Karacal. I think your all overthinking it. :slightly_smiling_face:
Know your firearm and shoot it often. :+1:

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You answered your own question with the chart :shushing_face:

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We are approaching another “geomagnetic reversal” moment in Earth’s history… so it may go even weirder when your projectiles will fly up… :joy:

But seriously… I think what @Todd30 experienced was a combination of 2 things:

  1. Transition from big target to small, especially from short distance and different angle.
  2. Sight system offset. Smaller with iron sights and bigger with optics.

When we shoot at close distances we should always aim higher. How much? You need to figure it out for your firearm.
Shooting big silhouette target doesn’t clearly show low shots, but you see them on small targets.
We usually have a tendency to aim at the center without taking distance under consideration.
Additionally, small target closer to the ground is never perpendicular to our line of sight, meaning, you need to aim higher to compensate this.

Ok… enough theoretical bs.
Just learn your firearm and remember how to shoot it from different distances and angles.
:wink:

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3-inch sights from rear to front. Front sight sets 3/4 " above the barrel. Bullet trajectory. Point of aim. Sight Picture. These are the few of the contributing things.

This makes sense. With the trajectory of the round at a further distance aiming in a downward angle you would be shooting high and that is what confused me about shooting low close up and not high.

Does that make sense?

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It is an incontrovertible fact that at the instance a round is fired it will go exactly to where the firearm was pointing at the time (with appropriate consideration of ballistic trajectory, of course).

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A little :joy:

Short distance shooting is easy to understand.
When you shoot from 0’ your projectile lands around 1" lower (sight height + 1/2 of caliber).
That’s the distance between sights line and bore axis line-> offset.

When you increase the distance your POI goes closer to POA and both meet whenever your sigh system is zeroed.
It might be 15’, 20’,25’… all depends on manufacturer.

Once you pass this distance you need aim lower to hit the point you want… Meaning your POI goes higher than POA.

Everything becomes complicated when you add projectile’s trajectory…but to be honest I wouldn’t overthink it at defensive distances… Just treat it as straight line of bore axis.

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No not really at that close a distance. What makes more sense is you are not see your exact target before you move. When this happens one tends to over shoot the target.

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The 3/4" offset is more noticeable at close range when shooting downward because the bullet has to travel further than the POA to impact the paper. It is less noticeable at longer distances.

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True. @ 5 yards it is closer than that. If his hand gun is zeroed ar 15 and 35 yards he would be at 1/2” @ 5 yards.

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Robert 1246. I know I am . Not smart enough to . Understand what you’re all talking about. . I . My self and me. Point . Shoot . And . The round. Goes where . I delivered it . I just use iron sights. But . It’s really that simple. And I . Practice a . Lot. Here’s ya a root beer :beer: . :us:Love Bobby jean . Does that make sense to anyone ??

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Yes it does.
Close, defensive distance doesn’t really need sight system, as long as you practice point shooting.
With proper stance and grip your muzzle points the same spot where you look at and point your either support hand’s thumb or your trigger finger (depends on your grip).
That’s a normal situation - if you must act fast in stressful situation, you may not have time to align sights with target.

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Jerzees brother here’s ya a root beer :beer: I . Do just what you said . And . It’s just . Routine. I can draw point shoot. And I hit what I am aiming at . And my aiming. Is auto focus. It’s just natural. I don’t know the exact words for it but it does work for me no limp wrist and good posture. Stance. With confidence. Thanks brother love Bobby Jean and Debbie ann :smiling_face_with_three_hearts::feather::feather::owl::us::100:

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