I don’t know why everyone is focusing on femoral artery…
Shooting pelvic area is not about hitting any of arteries. It’s about destroying skeleton structure, adding more pain and immobilization the attacker.
Good luck if you can still walk after receiving two or three bullets in that area…
I don’t care if the threat is hit in the artery and dies, or artery has been missed and threat just stopped. My defense act is successfully finished.
If I hit the threat in the head - it’s in 99% cases death.
Additionally… Randomly moving head is not a great target comparing to big stable pelvis.
Is the headshot a murder or not?
We can debate about this, but it’s not a point. This is the same as warning shots… you want to get rid of the threat, but don’t want to actually shoot him… Mentally good goal but criminally bad outcome.
The thing is the femoral artery runs right through the pelvic area so it can be hit when targeting that area. The bladder and colon are there as well and when either is ruptured it often leads to serious infection and the potential for a slow painful death.
As I mentioned above hits to the pelvis might or might not immobilize the threat. But even if they do the threat could keep attacking if they have a firearm or are still within arms reach.
I do agree that the pelvis is a much easier target to hit than the head and more people should practice targeting that area. I do. But when faced with an imminent threat to ourselves and others we have to hit the best target available that is most likely to stop the threat quickly. If my shots to center mass weren’t stopping the threat from trying to seriously harm myself or other I wouldn’t be concerning myself with whether or not the next target I tried was more or less likely to result in the threat’s death. We need to stop the threat ASAP before they can seriously harm or kill anyone else.
Murder is murder. A head shot can only be murder if it is murder. Any shot that is murder is murder. If a head shot is taken in self defense it is self defense. How can this be debatable. I think the point is take the shot if life is in danger of murder. If not someone could be murdered.
I think what you are trying to say is it feels light murder. Given a situation where innocent lives are in danger I don’t think you will feel like it is murder.
Check all the criminal cases for last 10 years and you will find out.
These days you must think what to do and how to act in self defense if you want still have your own and your Family’s life back at the same level.
Stopping the threat, even ended with death by shooting in pelvis is more justifiable these days than headshot with same outcome.
I prefer simple and quick trial,
not years of stress for me and my Family.
All these above are only my thoughts, something I have been considering each day of my training. It may not be so clear for someone who doesn’t care about aftermath. Shooting is a simple task, stopping the threat is also not complicated. You need good thinking, tactics and solution that works at the moment, but you must always think about the future - yours and your Family.
I am not saying don’t take whatever shot you have to save your life. If there is a debate it would be, would you rather be charged with murder for defending yourself or take a chance of being dead? I am not saying innocent people haven’t been charged with murder. By definition one cannot be a murderer and an innocent person at the same time.
To my knowledge there is no such thing as a simple quick trial.
Shooting the pelvic area can stop the other person without killing him/her but that opens the door for a counter suit because you put said person in a wheelchair or bed for life. Unless your state has a stand your ground law where defending yourself lawfully he isn’t allowed to sue you, you’re still open to be in court for years.
I would rather make the argument that it was either me or him was coming out of it alive and I chose me.
I agree and add, train for all lethal shot areas equally. With more and more BG’s buying/obtaining and wearing body armor on a daily basis, the percentage of chest shots likely to cause a full stop is diminishing. JM2CW.
I hear of cases from time to time where a criminal was wearing armor but the vast majority of the time they seem to not be wearing armor from the reports and videos I see.
I know there have been increasing efforts by the anti self defense crowd to make body armor illegal because criminals might use it. They may be spreading rumors of increased body armor use by criminals to further their goal of rendering us all defenseless. Banning armor makes no sense to me. It’s like saying we should ban seat belts because criminals might use them to protect themselves during car jacking get aways. But nothing the anti self defense crowd does makes much if any sense so it is not surprising.
Body armour use by street criminals does seem to continue to be rare
Extremely motivated individuals, or drugged up terminators, still seem from my perspective to far out weigh vests and may call for the same kind of measures in defense of life/limb
Thank you @Enzo_T. Not being snarky or sarcastic you put my thoughts into words better than I could have.
Just like in many sports, top half of the body you can juke and fake. But “hips don’t lie” (Shakira, Shakira) yes I just dropped a pop song lyric into a SD forum thread
I have never liked head shots. It always seemed to me that the head can move in too many ways, especially if a person has already been shot twice somewhere in the chest. Today, I look at Trumps new piercing and have confirmation.
Since Congress has a Zombie response Program developed, I think it just might be worthy of training for head shots even though between zombies and Unicorns you are more likely to see a zombie.
This thread seems to be the most active training thread going and I wanted to ask y’all; do you do this or have you tried doing it? I was watching Frogman and he was talking/showing taking a shot every second for 10 seconds by slowly counting to ten. I did it the first time using the mete and think I had good results.
