Yes, there are stats that there have been zero incidents of whatever type over certain hours where teachers are potentially allowed to carry.
But I haven’t seen any examples of teachers openly carrying in a classroom. Even finding concealed carry teacher examples is difficult, unfortunately, due to how rare it is
The number of schools that allow staff to carry are an incredibly small percentage of the total number of schools in this country. I still have not been able to find a single example of a school that allows regular staff to open carry. I have seen examples of schools that allow school resource officers or armed security to open carry but there have been shootings at at least a couple of those facilities. But the sample size is far too small to draw any conclusions either way.
Are you relying on the googler alone? Remember, the googler is mostly fauci information and at best biased and bought!
I am using every search engine I can find and asking every person I can if they have that information to share. No hits yet. It (teacher open carrying in a classroom in modern day USA) is either not a thing or is extraordinarily rare
That is why I believe training is vital. Not just training in firearms but martial arts and deescalation as well. Yes not every threat requires deadly force but this case was clearly an attack with likely deadly consequences and the woman had little chance of physically defending herself.
I can’t imagine many situations, outside of sports or playground settings, where an individual charges directly at someone without the intent of attacking that person? I personally have physical issues (previous heart attack, herniated disks in my back, etc.) that make being involved in a physical altercation a significant risk. I am trying to up my physical self defense abilities but allowing a younger, healthier individual to go blow for blow with me is very likely to result in severe bodily harm or worse to myself.
My intent has always been to avoid altercations whenever possible. I have succeeded on several occasions to walk, run or talk my way out of physical threats. But if presented with a serious threat and given no other way out I’m not just going to allow someone to pummel me in the hope they will eventually give up before I am dead or in need of a hospital.
There’s a link up there that posted that talks about several states that allow their teachers to carry, a large group of teachers in Seattle Washington that are begging to be able to open carry and two states Delaware and New Hampshire that allow their teachers to carry unregulated. That was through Bing, also bought and biased, and it didn’t pop up on the googler. It’s not rare and common practice at non public schools. In particular at schools for troubled youth. In free states, it’s even common practice in the state run public schools and again, ZERO SHOOTINGS at those schools.
Have any of those potentially eligible teachers carried openly in a school classroom? If so, when and where?
Maybe I’m not communication clearly, I am referring to open carry, as in not-concealed carry, the firearm being carried in a classroom by a teacher is openly visible
Yes, everyday! None of those articles mention anything about having to conceal. That would be silly and would completely contradict itself.
That’s great!
It still looks like individual teachers/staff are carrying concealed though? Is there reference to open carry by the individuals who carry?
The information I can find with a sign like that is actually from back when open carry of a handgun was flatly illegal in Texas, FWIW.
Just because some states have various laws that may or may not allow teachers to carry in some schools doesn’t mean a large number of schools allow regular staff to carry. Ohio has one of the best and most extensive armed staff programs I have heard of but even there only a very small percentage of schools allow none security staff to possess a firearm. From what I have read, some schools there only allow teachers to have access to locked up firearms and some others allow concealed carry only. None allow for open carry. It is up to the individual school districts on whether or not to allow staff access to firearms and most still don’t. Last I read all the staff their who are permitted to have firearm access have to undergo extensive psychological evaluation and regular training.
According to our last Governer, AZ law supposedly allows staff to carry if their local school administration allows but I am not aware of a single school in AZ that actually allows a single teacher to carry.
Your argument that some states allow staff to carry is not proof that lots of schools allow open carry. You would think examples of openly packing teachers would be featured prominently in at least a few right leaning media stories. But I can’t find a single example which leads me to believe it is a very rare event at best.
Ohio is the poster child for armed teachers. FASTER is the organization that does the training. I took it. As you’ve implied, they DO NOT argue for open carry. They DO argue for concealed carry. You are right. Some of those schools in Ohio have their firearms in lock boxes and not on body.
As to some of your earlier posts on training for teachers, FASTER does that. We ran force on force scenarios with airsoft. There was at least one “no shoot” situation. And those force on force scenarios are chaotic and stressful. And it’s more than shooting. It’s medical, situation management, interaction with LEO (they actually involve SWAT in some of the scenarios.)
FASTER sounds like a program I would definitely want to go through if I regularly worked around children. Heck I’d like to go through it even though I don’t work around children anymore. Unfortunately it’s only free to school staff. Though that is a big deal since most schools don’t have the budget to cover their current expenses let alone quality defensive training for their staff.
Thanks for providing the link earlier! I need to try and find a productive way to get my son’s school to consider this. Though I strongly suspect that the regional school administrators would be against armed staff.
There are folks who took it and paid for it. There have also been folks who have taken it and may not carry at school. FASTER is very happy to train schools that may be on the fence. So I would encourage you to mention it to your school. There are two prerequisites: you must have your CCW permit already, and they require an 8 hour foundations course to ensure you have proficiency beyond OH’s CCW permit training.
There were two SRO’s in the first course I took, an Air Force chaplain (he was on a school board for a private school considering arming staff) and all kinds of school personnel from superintendents to a lunch lady. The end level I by shooting an enhanced (harder-extra stage) version of the OH police officer qualification. Some failed the qual. Others got perfect scores. Level II picks up where Level I left off and assumes you retained everything you learned in level I. It’s live fire shoot houses and the whole ball of wax. Great stuff. Intimidating. Sobering. And stressful. (As it should be.)
I don’t even know what to say anymore. I really don’t. Doesn’t know right from wrong eh? I seriously doubt that. Growing up in a consequence free environment might have something to do with it.
This country is screwed.
“He is not a threat.”
Tell that to the woman he put in the hospital and threatened to come back and kill.
There is more than one monster here. The “mental health advocate” is the other.
Not all schools are governed by a school district. I think that’s where numbers are getting lost in regards to what percentage of schools allow their teachers to be armed. Concealed or not. There’s a lot of them!! When alls said and done, after at least 20 years of keeping and eye on armed teachers, not one time has there been a mass shooting, single shooting, gun stolen from a teacher, and in fact not one single adult or child has been harmed in any of those many schools. Not even once. Nuf said!
I think most of us here would agree with you. The specific question on whether it’s better for teachers to open carry is a different question. The fact that we’re 230+ posts into this thread and no one has yet found proof of teachers open carrying in school may be an indicator of just how rare it is.
