Should we arm selected teachers or allow teachers to carry who have gone through specific training?

Where there’s open carry, 0 school shootings. ZERO

Where is that statistic from? Are you saying there are zero school shootings in states that allow open carry? I’m pretty sure at least a couple of the school shootings occurred at schools with open carrying resource officers so I’m not so sure your statement is correct, at least without some significant qualifiers.

Regardless the number of actual school shootings (not counting the ones the media misleadingly add in where gangs are shooting at each other near schools) are so low that I don’t think anyone could draw any solid conclusions based on what has or hasn’t happened.

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No, in schools that allow their teachers to carry

Sorry if I’m misunderstanding but you said:

I haven’t heard of any schools that allow their teachers to open carry in the classroom.

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There are many

I would love to see some examples if you have some? Outside of teachers carrying at some school sponsored shooting events I’ve never heard of any schools that allow open carry in the classroom. A quick search I just did only pulled up a few examples of schools that allow teachers to conceal carry. I suspect if there are it must be incredibly rarer than the very very small percentage of schools that actually allow teachers to either conceal carry or have access to locked weapons.

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@Elitesless I don’t necessarily think your position here (at least if I understand it correctly) is wrong. I disagree with it as I’ve noted for reasons I’ve articulated. But beyond that, it’s incredibly unlikely to gain traction for a whole hosts of reasons including the fact that teachers unions are mostly liberal and anti-gun. I also think in a lot of places (most places) the parents of said children wouldn’t stand for their teachers being openly armed.

I would be interested to know more of these schools that have teachers openly carrying.

I am also unaware of any schools that allow teachers to open carry in the classroom.

They would not, because a significant aspect to policing is deterrence, which requires being seen.

Another significant aspect to policing is being immediately recognized as police when seen.

The ones who aren’t meant to be seen do conceal. Undercover, plainclothes, narcotics, all kinds of officers do conceal when their role does not require being seen and does not require being recognized or in fact requires the opposite, not being recognized.

Except where visibility is specifically wanted, even cops conceal

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While this didn’t happen at a school, it’s an interesting anecdote. Notice that the kid who snatched the man’s gun is 17-young enough to be in school. No word on whether the man was carrying openly or concealed.

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Clearly it wasn’t actually concealed, given that he was attacked for his gun.

The “nobody notices a little printing” crowd should take note of this kind of thing and take to heart that the oblivious code white people buried in their phones not noticing isn’t what matters…

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Search Montana schools. Believe it or not, not every school district and school board are woke and owned by a Teacher’s Union. You don’t have to believe me when I tell you there are MANY schools that have teachers who choose to open carry all across the country but there are. That’s the beauty of not having one giant entity deciding what’s right and wrong. If an entity over here decides this way is good, you don’t have to go very far to find an entity that might do it the opposite, then you can compare results. Same thing happened with masks. That’s why they never took off because you didn’t have to look very far to find an area that didn’t use them, like the Amish. At that point any person that disagreed with the use of them had a great argument to back up their doubts. You don’t have to look very far or hard to find school districts that do things differently and even opposite.

I have not been able to find any examples of schools with teachers open carrying guns.

I did find a snippet about less than 1% of MT schools maybe having someone concealed carry

"Montana state law allows school boards to let any adult staff member carry a gun in schools. But fewer than 1 percent of schools in a state with a high number of gun owners actually do so.

Three districts—Belfry, Custer, and Lima— have staff members who actively carry guns, The Billings Gazette reported last week after requesting records from each of the state’s districts. Another district allowed a former teacher to carry a gun, while two others have current authorizations for a staff member to carry a gun, but they don’t currently carry firearms."

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I don’t believe that. You have to go beyond the public schools. Public schools are the worst. Stats can be manipulated and refined.

If you have something to show us to the contrary, now is the time. :slight_smile:

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Speaking of LE open carrying, I just got off a commercial flight a couple hours ago. There may have been an air marshal on the flight, but I can’t be sure, because I’m told they conceal and conceal well so you don’t know.

The pilot also could have been armed. But, I wouldn’t be able to tell.

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Utah as well and many others. Again, I don’t need you to believe me but it’s absolutely true. MANY schools across the country with the exception of certain lost states allow their teachers to carry any way they want and the teachers that carry openly are highly respected and appreciated by their students parents. It’s actually not even that big a deal, it just makes sense. They carry that way everywhere they go so why wouldn’t they at their job. It just makes sense. Others choose to conceal, like they do everyday everywhere. Again, not a big deal.

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Look for the passenger that talks to the PIC before sitting down, PCFA👍

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I am afraid I don’t know what PIC is in this contact, nor PCFA, and are you saying that there is one person that only an air marshal will speak to before sitting down, and everyone that speaks to this person before sitting down is an air marshal?

PIC is short for Pilot In Command.

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