He had tons of room and easily could have driven away.
My take, it’s very simple, very easy, and the quickest solution. Hit the gas. That’s hit, hit the gas and be gone.
The best way to not get your family shot is to have them not be there
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I think it is the quickest solution to getting shot at if the BG was serious. I still say, never take your eyes off of someone that means you harm. He can shoot a lot faster than you can put your car in reverse and go. If you decide to turn around and go that just gives him more time. Get your gun out the window and be ready. Then you might have other choices according to his reaction.
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Who said anything about reverse? Just hit the gas
I’d like to think I wouldn’t even come to a complete stop and I’d be moving forward going past him before he even got both feet on the ground. Pretty likely that truck had an idea the guy was about to do something foolish without waiting to give him time to stop, put it in park, open the door, get out, then start walking back.
That whole time…just be leaving
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If you are not in reverse then you are getting closer to the threat. His car looked as though it was in the middle of the road and he had a gun out. I’m not going to give him a closer shot at me or my wife. Yea, the truck guy probably figured the guy wanted to give him a tongue lashing but when he got out of the car with a gun, everything changed. At that time you have the advantage of being able to legally get the first shot off. Best odds you probably will ever get.
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I love Jon’s FIBSA reactions in videos.
Fudge
I’m
Being
Shot
At
It’s especially good when it turns into FIBS
Fudge
I’ve
Been
Shot
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If the rager was serious about shooting I would much rather have them trying to hit a moving target than a static one stuck behind the wheel. I would also rather have both hands on the wheel to maneuver away from or through the threat than having one hand on my firearm.
I have dodged a whole lot of threats and obstacles while driving, biking or running. In all those instances I was able to make the maneuvers while maintaining good awareness of what the threat was up to. I don’t need to stand or sit still to keep my eyes on the threat
In this case there was a whole lot of room to get around the rager’s vehicle. If I had made the mistake of allowing him to stop my forward motion my foot would have been back on the gas the second his feet hit the pavement.
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I think this is the best line of this thread
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If I was forced to draw my firearm on a person already holding a firearm and angrily marching towards me or making other clear threats, that person would have the time it takes me to get the firearm pointed at them to drop their firearm or otherwise clearly show they have ceased to be a threat.
Even if you have a firearm already pointed at the rager they can raise their firearm and shoot before your brain can recognize what they are doing and send the signal to react. Even if you shoot first with a perfectly placed shot there is no guarantee they won’t get their shot off as well.
I view someone marching angrily at me with a firearm as a situation where my life depends on my ability to stop that threat ASAP. But in this case there appear to be several options to get away and not have to worry about shooting or running over the threat.
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My first inclination is not to be shot at period. I have only had one case in my earlier years of someone having a gun on me but he was in the car beside me at a stop light. In that case I was able to hit the gas and go forward with nothing in my way and I was driving away from him. He could have shot me anyway, but I was 19 and didn’t have a gun so I outdrove him to get away. Going into reverse was not an option because of traffic and since he wasn’t in front of me my best bet was to go forward. In this case the guy couldn’t go forward without taking a chance that he would be shot while getting even closer to the BG. Going backwards was the hardest move of all. I just can’t see giving them a better shot or trying to maneuver out of it in the time it takes for them to fire. In a gunfight, I would never assume the BG couldn’t make whatever shot he needed. The bullet is much faster than your car. It is scary stuff, keep your wits about you and do the best you can and come out alive.
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I really don’t think that is true. I see it as hesitation, trying to figure out if he is really serious about shooting you. To me it is a normal reaction because most people don’t want to hurt anyone unless they have to. The brain is faster than anything we have. Remember the saying, “The body can’t go where the mind hasn’t been”. Train to make the decisions faster. Don’t worry about his intent with his firearm. That could be your last thought.
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It is a known fact based on testing. Try the dollar bill trick some time. Place a dollar bill on the table have someone else place their hand a little above the dollar bill and place your hand a foot or so above theirs. Tell them they get to keep the dollar if they can slam their hand down onto it before you can get your hand on it. But they can’t move until you do. Unless you are really physically slow you will get that dollar almost every time.
Or you can do the dollar drop test: hold a dollar vertically and have someone hold their fingers directly below the bill just slightly open and see if they can catch it when you drop it.
It takes the average person .25ish seconds for the signal of what they are seeing to get to their brain. Then it takes even more time for the brain to resolve what is going on and decide to act. Then another .25ish seconds to get the signal of what to do back to the body part that needs to move. This is one reason why people can sometimes shoot an attacker in the back even though the threat was still facing them when they decided to shoot. Those numbers are under ideal conditions. When the brain is stressed those times increase significantly. Though good training can inoculate the brain to some of that stress.
You might be good at reading body language and lucky enough to pick up cues the attacker gives off that they are about to raise their gun. If so you can start to move as soon as or even before they do. But if you are reacting purely to their movement of raising their weapon they will have somewhere between a .25 second and 2 or even longer second head start depending on your visual acuity, mental processing speed, physical reflexes, stress level and training.
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I agree there is processing time, but the BG has the same time to process all his actions. He, as I see it, has three actions to process. Pulling the gun up, aiming, and firing. That would be .75 seconds that you have to contend with. If you already have your gun aimed at him you only have to process one action and that is pulling the trigger. That gives you a .5 second advantage or at least .25 before he is even ready to pull the trigger. If he is coming at me with a firearm in hand, I don’t really care whether he is aiming it at me or not. He has it, he has cut me off, and he is coming at me armed, and I am blocked from driving away unless I decide to take a chance that he can’t hit me because I’m moving. I say be ready for the chances you are given. If I can see he is holding a firearm I already know that I could be the one to get shot if I’m not faster and more prepared. He doesn’t have to have it aimed at me to prove he means me harm.
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This is a very serious situation. In viewing the video over and over, just to learn from it, I see that this situation, from visual, is within a neighborhood where the Mercedes/guy with a gun STOPS in the middle of the street (using the vehicle to stop/block for an advantage), then gets off the Mercedes aggressively, with gun in hand walking to the truck (premeditated with intent to readily use it). The man and woman in the truck as woman is videotaping the approaching gunman. Guy in the truck says, “Should I shoot him?” Verble/scuffle begins as I heard truck driver say, “You are the one that started it!” And as guy with the gun reaches into the window of the truck to grab the phone from the woman, he momentarily raises the gun up in the air, and so on. Now let’s go back to, “You are the one that started it!” Did the road rage aggression began on a public road by the Mercedes driver to the truck driver that caused the woman to start videotaping and followed as the road raging Mercedes driver turned into the neighborhood as the video shows, because it doesn’t show the PRIOR ENCOUNTER WHEN IT ALL STARTED which hopefully the couple in the truck have THE WHOLE ENCHILADA ON VIDEO! OK, here’s the thing. If it occurred earlier than what the video shows, the driver of the truck should have backed off, turned away elsewhere and NOT FOLLOW the Mercedes driver (deescalate, let it go) and moved on. HOWEVER, as the video shows, WHAT IF the truck driver had SHOT the deranged Mercedes driver during the reaching into the truck “BANG, BANG, BANG” all on video. would it be self-defense? Would there be arrests? Questions would be asked like why not just get plate number and call 911 to report a road rage RATHER THAN FOLLOWING AND VIDEOTAPING the Mecedes that led to a SHOOTING that is CLAIMED SELF-DEFENSE! (DA speaking) 
Now if all this happened suddenly, out of the blues, and in the neighborhood, as in the video, well, (truck driver, “Should I shoot him?”) “If you’re gonna shoot ‘SHOOT’ don’t talk!” including while all on video, continue with the 911 call, recording all of it. Case closed.
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He isn’t even talking about a decision per se, he is talking about simple reaction time. Even if you have a “pre made” decision, you still have to OODA and you still can’t act on that ‘decision’ until after you observe him already shooting you and react to it.
Action beats reaction, and even if you shoot him, that doesn’t necessarily mean he won’t keep shooting you after that. Especially since you have chosen to remain perfectly still shackled into one seated spot like a duck in a barrel
And no…him deciding to shoot you doens’t take 0.75 seconds of laghe isn’t taking a 1/4 reaction time to first draw, then aim, then shoot.
Plus his decision time is not available to you. It happens before he starts to move, your reaction time happens after he is already in motion.
Remember guys, avoidance trumps the rest you could literally be driving away before he even gets two feet on the ground as soon as the door starts to open, drive away
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I was just using @Shamrock times. But drawing, aiming, and firing can easily take that amount of time. You can call it decision or reaction times but they both apply. In this case he has already drawn but it was stated that:
I’m saying that assuming reaction times are somewhat normal considering the circumstances that the GG should win the fight if the circumstances were as stated.
You should know that if you feel your life is in danger of death or great bodily harm that you are allowed to shoot to protect yourself. At least those are the rules where I live. He doesn’t have to shoot at you first. If someone causes me to have to stop in the middle of the road, gets out of the car with a gun and starts coming at me, I will shoot as quickly as possible. He has already fulfilled all the requirements of stand your ground.
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Proceeding forward in time from the opening image in the video: An angry man swinging a handgun approaches aggressively breaching a 25’ radius. With a gun in my right hand I am at a disadvantage. I have to open the door to face him with equal force unless I wait until he arrives at my window. Either way, I’m a siiting duck waiting to be killed. By the time I have a shot he’s had time to pump several bullets into me. Those responses will get me killed.
The correct response: smash the gas pedal to the floorboard, while steering left and run him over. Continue past the left side of the perp’s stopped Mercedes plowing through the open driver’s door rather than hitting the curb at an angle. Deadly violence begets deadly violence.
I was in fear for my life. The evidence is on my dash cam.
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I know but I just don’t want to mess up another truck. Insurance is expensive. Besides that, I found that I shoot real good with my left hand. Groups are a few inches right of where I’m aiming but they are tight groups. Tighter than my right hand.
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The door panel will not stop a bullet, he could have point shot through the door with the pistol still in his lap, then floored it to get off of X.
Or, simply opened fire through the windshield as soon as the other guys feet hit the ground with a pistol in hand…. Again, floor it to get off X.
That hood tells me it’s a hummer, not a humvee, but still a capable off road vehicle, he can jump a curb without damaging the suspension, he may not outmaneuver or out run the Mercedes, but stopping and letting this jackwad get out of his car and walk up with a pistol is a mistake.
Trucks are replaceable, his or his lady friends lives are not.
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I never would have waited until he got to the window. The only problem with shooting through the door is knowing where the braces are. If you hit one of those it’s doubtful that it will go through. Otherwise that would work, but I don’t want someone that close with a gun and freedom of movement. Shooting through the window would probably be good. I would wonder whether the windshield would throw of the trajectory and which direction. That would be a good thing to learn.
I agree it was a mistake to allow him to walk up but backing up or going forward past him seems like it presents more danger to the guy in the truck/hummer. He’s going to have enough to do trying to get out of there to effectively fire at the guy. I say shoot first and the bad guy goes down or is rattled. Then start moving after he is the one that doesn’t want anymore of it.
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Ok. YOU have already recognized the rager as a threat. You have your firearm staged between your legs (albeit still in the holster). You make an evasive turn to avoid confrontation and rager overtakes you and blocks the street. At this point YOU stop as anyone would do to avoid a collision. The rager exits his vehicle firearm in hand immediately approaching your vehicle.
YOU choose to try to manuever around or through him from a stop.
He has a gun in hand. YOUR first choice is to drive as rager continues towards your vehicle gun in hand? YOU have a gun staged for this exact reason.
As you drive by, around, whatever rager who has already proven he has become unhinged starts blasting as YOU floor it and do whatever with YOUR hands one of which should have taken the firearm out of YOUR lap and aimed immediately at rager meeting deadly force with deadly force.
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