Post Office Carry on the table

Good news. I have several hidden compartments in my vehicle (from the factory) that even some of the mechanics at the dealership didn’t know about, in case I had to stop at a post office. But my recent trip so a Social Security office gave me some hope that not all Gun Free zones aren’t as anal as some believe. Just before opening, the Hone land security guy came out to run down the rules. Now, while I remembers to stow my sidearm, I forgot about knives. He kindly reminded everyone to stow weapons, including knives, pen knives, etc., in our vehicles. He then said if anyone has a firearm, kindly stow them in our vehicles—separating ammunition, and stowing I. Separate compartments (similar to the rules some states have while driving through their state). I didn’t say was could park in the property, which I expected but hoped wasn’t the case.

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Welcome @Eric396

It’s a sometimes confusing maze of rules and laws we have to navigate through

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Also known as “criminal protection zones”. :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

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True, Unfortunately THEY Know the laws, or at least they know the laws they want to get you with…

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This is why i dont go to the post office. Their customers are all angry, and their employees are all dolts.

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Continuing the discussion from Post Office Carry on the table:

Mike, here in Texas a CCL cannot go into any building in which there is a Court. My small town has a Court, library, City Council room, city offices, etc. I have been told since there are doors connecting all of them, that means ALL of those facilities are off-limits(para. 30.06 in Texas Code for CCL), due to the mere being a Courtroom in that particular building. There is a 30.06 legal notice on the ALL the doors entering that building. I dunno KNOW if all that is kosher….but ….

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I am waiting for the case where one had to disarm because of a ban. Someone goes in and starts shooting up the place. The person that had to disarm sues the institution for the face they got hurt, family was killed, or for trauma since they were unable to defend themselves.

This will be the real case that might just set a precedent.

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The decision is 53 pages long, and I am currently not in the mood to read that much, but I did skim through, and found a few points for you to think about. Feel free to read the entire decision and summarize it for us.

A. Second Amendment Challenge
New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen, 597 U.S. 1 (2022), requires
the United States to present historical support for § 930(a)’s application to Ayala, which it
fails to do. Post offices have existed since the founding, as have threats to the safety of
postal workers and the public entering those locations. Yet the historical record yields no
“distinctly similar historical regulation addressing” those safety problems by regulating
firearms in post offices.

Section 930(a)’s Application to Post Offices Has No Historical Support
The United States concedes that “[t]here is no evidence of firearms being prohibited
at post offices, specifically, or of postal workers being prohibited from carrying them, at
the time of the founding.” Gov’t Suppl. Br. at 4. Despite the opportunity to present
supplemental briefing, the United States fails to point to sufficient historical evidence
supporting § 930(a)’s application here.

The United States fails to meet its burden of pointing to a historical tradition of
firearms regulation justifying Ayala’s indictment under § 930(a). Accordingly, the
following is ORDERED:
Case 8:22-cr-00369-KKM-AAS Document 57 Filed 01/12/24 Page 41 of 53 PageID 255
42

  1. Ayala’s Motion to Dismiss (Doc. 23) is GRANTED in part.
  2. Count I of the Indictment (Doc. 1) is DISMISSED with prejudice
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Can you have a gun locked in your car in a post office parking lot white you go in to the post office. Lots of confusion on this point

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Welcome @Charlie38 to our family.

I think of it like this, IF the law says “Government Property” then that mean ALL Gubment property. Some extreme DA could and probably would jump all over it saying “The government owns the parking lot so that makes it a violation of federal law…”.

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Welcome @Charlie38

https://news.usps.com/2024/01/18/usps-wants-everyone-to-know-its-policy-on-firearms-on-postal-property/

This is not to say I agree in any way with the policy but you should know the minefield you play in.

BTW this is ostensibly enforcing a Federal law so local attitudes probably don’t matter much.

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