The debate has been put out there and in part, I agree. In part, I do not! A time at the range should be built for purpose and a set of drills to be done in order of building your skills. If you have had a class by an instructor, he should have steps in drills that build upon each other. If you use 20 or less rounds on each drill you can focus on your mannerisms on that drill and learn from it. Then shooting at a distance of 40 yards working on your speed and accuracy will make shooting at 3 yards a cinch. It will also improve your point shooting or reactive shooting.
Taking sets of drills and using what rounds you need to use then take a break and then go to the next drill. If you go from the Bill drill then to the Mozambique drill, then to the El presidente drill you will have worked your way up on the skill level of shooting. With the later drill setting you up for the next drill.
Training for accuracy and speed at 40 yards will tighten your speed and accuracy at three yards. This will also help your point shooting for accuracy. Muscle memory is what we work for. Your training should have steps on the drills that builds your muscle memory. Good training is the key though. If you are not focused on the mechanics of the drill and what is happening, then you are wasting your time. Each drill should build upon the next drill. I would say each drill could be 20 rounds or less because the results will be the results. When you go to the range have a plan of training. Classes have steps they take to build your efficiency and If you take notes of the drills and the process, you can utilize these drills on your own. Just sayinâ
The real problem (as I see it) is there are too many âExpertsâ trying to dictate out Training.
A Shooting Range should be what it isâ-A Facility for the individual Gunner to Train (or get supportâ in said training).
Too many Gunners fail to achieve the âMuscle Memoryâ we all need if the SHTF for us because of unqualified/Over Reacherâs who shouldnât be in the game in the first place.
It only makes sense to me that our Training should stretch our boundaries! How else can we achieve the goals we set for ourselves?.
I go in with a clear plan in my head just what Iâm going to hone my skills that day. I donât need some wanna-be telling me âI Canâtâ, Itâs NOT ALLOWED!â, âYer doing it wrongâ.
âTheyâ have a Warehouse, They rent space, They rent the Lanes. If I need guidance, assistance, Looking for further training Iâll ask for it.
If you can reliably hit @ 40 yards as you said Brother it makes you better more accurate in the short game! (thatâs common sense).
Iâve wished (often) for enough funds to open a Gunner friendly Range (Indoor Outdoor w/ a Gun shop FOR GUNNERS! ) Stocked with qualified ROâs too!
Iâve got a little different philosophy of training.
Live training or practice wonât work great for your âmuscle memoryââŠ. unless you do thousands repetitions⊠which never happens.
Good training always starts with basics⊠even you know all the basics already⊠then you add holster draw, then movements. Accuracy comes on very end.
Then, whatever you trained - thatâs your homework and you practice everything again with dry fire sessions.
This is the moment you do everything all over again and again⊠and you actually create new neural pathways⊠called âmuscle memoryâ .
Once you feel good about your skills, you go and verify it with live ammo.
Iâm attending a classes run by my friend Instructor and during 8 hr of training we shoot only 200 - 250 live rounds.
Is this still valuable training? Definitely yes. Hundreds of dry repetitions on the range make a shooter self-confident and live shooting becomes easier and very accurate.
I watched John McPhee mention the 20 round max thing, and thought about Jerry Miculak mentioning how every day he was the first guy on the range and the last guy off. My son trained with John Lovells group (Warrior Poet Society on Youtube)_ and mentioned running 750 rifle rounds over a 2 day course, while John was on Youtube showing how to make maximum usage out of minimum round count during training sessions. Covid era, 5.56 ammo was scarce, my son bought an AK for the class and 2k rounds of 7.62/39. I did the math, and the difference in cost between the 7.62 and 5.56 rounds at the time paid for the gun. Despite the contradiction in the messages, I feel every message can be right.
Years back I went to the club, blew through 300 rounds of 9mm in 65 minutes, and realized I had learned NOTHING. The benefit was mental, so not a huge loss, had the focus going which my ocd scatterbrained mind needs on occasion, but bought a .22lr conversion kit so those âmental focusâ days could be had a bit more economically. The video I remember the most was Lovells Covid era âmake every round countâ one, where the basic theme was âmove more, shoot less.â Reid Henrichs from Valor Ridge had some rifle focused videos emphasizing the same philosophy. Move more, shoot less. The biggest waste I used to see is the indoor ranges with the narrow lanes. Canât draw, canât move, canât emulate real world scenarios, but can blow through boxes of ammo in seemingly nanoseconds.
I visited an indoor range last year. A RSO tapped me on the shoulder and made a comment about my shooting. I thanked him and resumed shooting. He said something again so I put the pistol down and asked him to show me. He didnât do any better.
Before leaving me alone, he said itâs probably because I brought too many guns with me.
I was safe, had four pistols with me. But, heâs the expert. Never went back.
Same here Recent trip (Tapped on the shoulder) âNo Rock N Roll !â
My response? Really? Seriously? I had my M4 w/ me from my time you know down south a ways, I showed him the Selector switch (FULL AUTO) his eyes got bigâŠI took the Mag out of my AR, Ejected the one in the pipe, checked the barrel it was cool enough to put in her case, made sure my M&P was ready to rock per her in my holster, my .38 revolver in my fanny packâŠhe said âJC!â I went to the Manager told him my short list of grievances (basically how horrible Gunners are treated when they come her and said âI wonât be backââŠand walked.
Eventually (if it hasnât already happened) it will show on their Bottom LineâŠIt has to. Just because youâre the only game in town (5) minutes down the hill from me doesnât mean I have to put up with their BS. NO SIR.
If you start with the basics then the next steps are covered with doing it right as you go along. Then when you push yourself with harder drills you have already built a base to work off of. If you shoot the Bill Drill and you have misses, then you slow down and work on your accuracy then build on your speed.
I love my range. Outdoor. Limited new memberships. If I go at 8 a.m. opening time I always have a pistol range all. To. Myself. Then I do what I want. I can set up multiple targets, use one as an obstacle, shoot and move, and shoot as fast as I want.
I donât shoot often enough. I donât usually have a plan, but I take a bunch of different targets built around different drills and shoot multiple drills. If I see a weakness, I work on that.
Oh man, really??? I thought those people at Cal⊠were kool with you, so youâre going to hang it up with them? Nice location for you, so close bye to you. Oh well, whatâs your plan, everything else is little distant.
My best shot (Muahahaha!) is dress warm and drive out past the Double Eagle Airport (itâs the Mesa for me!)
I just canât abide with the revolving door cast of characters wondering how can they possibly find so many Elmer Fudds in one small city? It ratchets up my Anxiety to the point I canât focus on the skillsâŠ
Don102 Brother i Canât train at the Range Like i have in the country where i can Focus and not show my skill set and i Donât have to focus on any one whoâs Reckless or Dangerous. Seriously its much Better to get out and. Train with a Brother or all by yourself. With my Long Tools. I donât have the Room in most Places to train so out in da sticks i can train ,5, thousand yards and not have any distractions and hit what is Down Range it saves ammo and i get Dialed in .!! It feels Better on my nerves and no one knows my skills set o. And it just da cost of da Ammo hereâs ya a Root Beer Sir. For Blowin off da steam lol ya know Thanks for your service Sir Love ya Blood Brother Love Bobby jean and Debbie ann twofeathers .
The best way to attain quality in any sport is some form of competition. You buy a new bowling ball, practice, and you may start feeling pretty good about your performance. Now, join a league. Prepare for âthe humbling!â Nothing hones your skills like competition, 8-10-15 rounds at a time. I remember the first few times of coming in second at our shooting matches. Congratulations came with the following, in a gunfight second is still a toe tag. Almost all the ranges here have competitions. Until you go up against others you have no litmus test of how well youâre doing. And itâs a great place to take advice from those who have proved in front of your eyes their worth.
Robert 1025 i have never Been Bowling i have been Down Rage and i donât know of any Range that is going to make my skill set any Better than what it is Been there done that now I train alone no competition !! Just Rehearsal that said every time I have went to the Range Reckless has been the norm Donât need a Dangerous environment for competition. Or training and i save Lots of money for ammunition. Love Bobby jean and Debbie ann twofeathers
My daughter gave me a Goose Island stout beer. I am not a beer connoisseur so I googled how to enjoy it: To drink Goose Island Stout, especially
Bourbon County, serve it slightly chilled (around 45-55°F), pour slowly into a snifter or tulip glass to develop a dense head, and sip it slowly, allowing it to warm in the glass to release complex notes of chocolate, coffee, bourbon, and vanilla, treating it more like a dessert wine or spirit to savor over time, not gulping it down.
Interesting⊠I donât drink warm beer so this would be a first.
really??? I thought those people at Cal⊠were kool with you, so youâre going to hang it up with them? Nice location for you, so close bye to you. Oh well, whatâs your plan, everything else is little distant.
Sir. For Blowin off da steam lol ya know Thanks for your service Sir Love ya Blood Brother Love Bobby jean and Debbie ann twofeathers . 
i have been Down Rage and i donât know of any Range that is going to make my skill set any Better than what it is Been there done that now I train alone no competition !! Just Rehearsal that said every time I have went to the Range Reckless has been the norm Donât need a Dangerous environment for competition. Or training and i save Lots of money for ammunition. Love Bobby jean and Debbie ann twofeathers
