Well I have to disclose here, I have seen this topic since it was new. I know better I was trained different as an Army Infantry Lieutenant, but the gun store I go to has a young gunsmith on the staff and the business needs business volume so I pay the young fellow to clean my guns when I’m done inside the range, by the time I finish my refreshment he is done and happy to be of service to me and I am happy to have further justified him being there doing what he seems to love doing so everyone comes out a winner.