How often do you clean your firearm?...after every trip to the range?, or every other trip?...or every third trip?

I will do a quick spray down and wipe down with a great product called Hoppes Gun Medic. It disolves the carbon and leaves a light coat of lube behind. I will do this little trick maybe every other time, depending on just how filthy it is. I like Hornady One Shot cleaner as well.

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More lately. :smirk:

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In a Hoop Dress…

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Like many things mechanical (and not) do you also find that you have to balance repetition/familiarity to learn with accepting additional risk for every time you disassemble/assemble it? There’s a reason that the first place one looks when something isn’t working right is at the last thing someone touched!

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I’m probably being anal, but I give all of my firearms a quick cleaning every time I use them and a thorough cleaning every 1,000 rounds or so. My EDC is a Glock 42 and my son, who I regularly go to the range with, uses a Glock 19. I think his has only been cleaned once in the last three years and this is because I took it home with me and cleaned it for him. Neither his 19 or my 42 has ever failed to fire.

“Show your Kimber or Sig to your friends and your Glock to your enemies” carries a lot of weight with me.

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I live in Virginia, ground zero for the second amendment fight, and not too far from the Shenandoah river. You wouldn’t believe the number of terrible canoeing accidents that are happening along the river right now and it is January. I shudder to think of the tragedies that will occur once the weather gets better.

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brad what did you find with your oil testing??? My auto dealer keeps sending emails telling me I am past due for oil changes, etc. I only put 4000 miles on in per year.

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I’ll post the results. Everyone changes their oil way too soon!

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Depends on the gun. My carry gun is always clean. The guns I take to the range for fun are cleaned every 200-500 rounds. So it might be a couple of trips to the range before I clean them.

You just reminded me I need cleaning tools for my rifle. :slight_smile:

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I clean mine after every visit to the range. I don’t need the corrosive aftermath doing unspeakable things ot my barrel. Every couple of weeks, I break it down, wipe it with a clean rag and re-lube it. It is my carry gun, so it gets a bit humid under the clothing… Central Florida…

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190k miles, much of it towing with the little 4cyl.

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That one above was gets 5k intervals because I’m in love with it. This second car has the same engine (but with much lower miles), after 7.5k intervals and nearly 100% towing time. Note that the leftmost column of data is this interval and that the prior oil change (third column from left) is at 5k interval, for comparison. Enjoy!

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Every trip or every other trip to range. 400-700 rounds.

1911s I clean every trip.

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For my precision rifles (and most of them are) I will clean them at about 1000 rounds or when they get above sub MOA right before I go to the range and then put 50 or so rounds through them to get the bore settled back down. Bolt faces / BCG I will inspect after each range trip and scrub if needed. Pistols after a couple thousand rounds or if they start slowing down. Revolvers are the only thing I will religiously clean after a range trip and only the cylinder especially if I shot .38’s out of a .357.

Cheers,

Craig6

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I’m curious about this. Do you find that having a spotless precision rifle effects accuracy? I’m not a competitive shooter but get a lot of satisfaction out of developing loads and shooting sub MOA groups at 300 yards, the longest range where I shoot on a regular basis. I would appreciate learning more about this, especially settling the bore down.

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@Boyd Ohh Boy! This might be a long one.
When I was on the Navy Rifle Team back in the 80’s and 90’s I dutifully scrubbed my bore after each match just like everybody else until I started working with a SEAL sniper that took me under his wing. He said “Why do you do that?” meaning cleaning the rifle. Me: “UMMM it’s dirty.” Him “No it’s seasoned, I just watched you shoot 12 straight X’s at 1000 yards, I’m willing to bet that tomorrow if we start at the 1K yard line it will take you AT LEAST 20 rounds to get back in the X Ring.” The next day he proved his point and it took me 27 rounds to get my first back to back X’s, the first shot was a 7 and it was PERFECTLY lined up. Like an idiot I started chasing the bullet around the target until he thumped me in the back of the head and said “Put on yesterdays dope and leave it alone.” It took me 4 rounds to start stacking X’s. We were up and down the range shooting various yard lines and it was quite possibly the best day on the range that I had to that date.

Prior to that I had always thought I was a “cold shooter” in that I had to warm up to shoot consistently, the next day I blew my previous scores out of the water and not only broke 90 (had only broken 90 twice in 2 years) on standing “awfulhand” but ended up at a 97. I swore that i would never clean that rifle again. 1200 rounds later accuracy started to go to hell and I was frustrated. Mark (the SEAL) asked me “When was the last time you cleaned your rifle?” Me: “When you told me to stop cleaning it.” I saw bright lights, my head hurt and I was suddenly flat on my back staring at the sky. Him"Dumb A$$!! Now you know how long your barrel will last. Go clean the Pi$$ out of it and then shoot 3 boxes through it and see if it comes back." It did and it did and that planted the seed in my head. At that time I was shooting government guns and didn’t need to shoot my own.

Fast forward about a decade and I got back into long range shooting but more into bolt guns than my beloved M1A and National Match as I was stationed in CT so I couldn’t have it anyway. I spent a day on the range absolutely drilling a 400 yard target with my bolt gun and decided to clean the rifle while at the range. For some reason Mark popped into my head and I said to myself “Self, lets see if it still works.” Fist round out of the gun and I MISSED the target. 40 rounds later I was back to drilling the target but the groups were bigger. 10 rounds later the group size was shrinking. 10 rounds after that and it was back to where it was before I cleaned it. I came back the next day and my CBS (Cold Bore Shot) was perfect at 400 yards straight out of the gate. Angles sang, the heavens opened, I felt a hand print on the side of my head and I finally figured out what Mark was telling me.

Your CBS is the most important round you will fire. WHY would you take a perfectly zeroed and accurate rifle and CHANGE the inside of the bore which of course is where all the magic happens. Modern primers / powders do not corrode the bore like mercuric primers and powders of old. The “plating” of fire formed copper inside the bore is a GOOD thing and makes for a very consistent rifle once it reaches “equilibrium” or “settles down”. As long as you shoot the rifle at least once a month or so (one round into the ground counts for this) that plating remains and your bore is consistent. If you let the copper corrode then you will have bore changes much the same as if you let your steel barrel oxidize.

Since you mentioned you are a reloader I will add two other variable that I cannot quantify but have noticed. Changing powder is like cleaning your bore, albeit not as extreme , it takes time to settle back down. Additionally shooting different bullet brands or coated bullets MAY have the same effect. The exception to the last observation is the 210gr Berger and the 208gr AMAX. They are interchangeable in my 30-06 but stuff a Sierra or Barnes in there and things go wonky.

That was long but I hope I shed some light on your questions. Feel free to ask more or start another thread or PM me as there is a whole lot of back story to my discoveries.

Cheers,

Craig6

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Fantastic post

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@Craig6 thanks for your post, very detailed and informative.

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@Craig6. Thank you for this post. When I read it, I had one of those moments of pure clarity and insight that says this is the truth and there is no doubt about it. I am a Johnny Come Lately to the precision shooting game, I only took it up after I retired about 10 years ago. Every time I go to the range I usually shoot around a hundred rounds and it is only the last 50 or so that I get zeroed in and see consistently accurate results.

I don’t know very many competitive shooters, but the ones I do know always “warm up” with at least 20 rounds before the match starts. I always thought that this was a necessity just like the closer warming up in the bull pen before coming in finish the ballgame in the ninth inning. I was at the outdoor range yesterday and as I always do, when I got home took my rifle down to my shop to clean it. It must be providence because I was tired and said to myself “I’ll clean it tomorrow.” As soon as I read your post I took my rifle off the bench and put it away. The weather has turned cold here and it will be a while before I can get back to the 300 yard range, but I am going to take to Elite next week, which has a hundred yard indoor range.

I have a Ruger Precision chambered in 6.5 Creedmoor and load Hornady brass with Hornady 140 grain match bullets using H4350 powder. I know this is basically entry level stuff, especially to your SEAL sniper mentor and serious competitors, but I enjoy it and get a lot of satisfaction out of it. I just hope that maybe one day I’ll be good enough that someone of your caliber and you SEAL friend will allow me honor of carrying their range bag.

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@Boyd I’m glad it made sense to you and that you had noticed things previously, All too often I see long gunners happily banging away at steel and not paying attention to the details. I’ve spent more than a few years in the precision rifle world for work and fun and have learned quite a bit on the subject from a number of great shooters as well as my own discoveries. I am not that familiar with the 6.5 Creedmore but I understand it is a pretty doggone good cartridge. My go to competition gun is a 30-06 which raises a few eyebrows but I fully expect to get a 4 - 5,000 round life out of a tube unlike a 300 WM which is 1200 rounds if you are lucky. For making shots in excess of 1K it is an absolute hammer.

My other passion is reloading for distance and have made a few discoveries on that topic as well that you may find interesting. I invite you to look up the Optimal Barrel Time Theory (It’s not a theory, it’s a fact and another one of those epiphany moments when it happens) The long and the short of it is that vibrations in steel move faster than the bullet and given a certain barrel length you can TIME the exit of the bullet to coincide with the vibrations being at the receiver as opposed to the muzzle. The other unintended and monstrously huge benefit is that it almost erases variations in not only loading but temperature. My .308 and 30-06 loads are POI insensitive to a 70F temp shift based on a 70F day. In other words my CBS will hit sub MOA at 35F to 105F. It also eliminates up to 0.4gr of powder variation. Vibration in steel is a constant so that load will work in EVERY rifle with the same barrel length. Ever wonder why Federal GMM works well in any gun?

If you ever get down SE VA way bring your stick and we’ll go play out to a mile.

Cheers,

Craig6

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