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How do you account for recoil in your dryfire training?

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I don’t.

The act of dry fire is to build muscle memory and to integrate yourself to the pistol/rifle whatever. Even when I go for (gulp) months without live fire, my dry fire maintains my first shot edge, muscle memory brings the second shot right back to alignment.

Practicing double taps and Mozambique’s are great but the first round out counts too.

IMHO, if you are aware of recoil when you are shooting, you either have
A: the wrong gun
or
B: are not concentrating on what you are doing

Cheers,

Craig6

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I don’t care about recoil. Recoil happens after the shot so it doesn’t change my procedures learned during dry fire training.

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I got an itarget. Works pretty good, you do have to rack the slide or cock the hammer after each shot, and nope, no recoil… But, it does show where the laser hit on your target. It also has a 10 shot (I think) timed shot also. The only problem is you have to start the timer with your hand, so first shot is usually late by the time I walk over and get ready.

Dry fire is no substitute for shooting real bullets, but it sure helps keep your skills up. And it pretty much only costs you time.

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Yes, but no. :smiley:

For multiple shots, you need to let the firearm settle back after the recoil to regain your site picture. Maybe I should change the question a smidge and ask how do you account for reacquiring sight picture on additional shots?

Is that a better way of phrasing it?

Recoil management has to be practiced at the range. Once you manage it well it won’t change multiple shot behavior learned during dry firing. It only adds time between first and last shot.

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I go to range once a month. I dry fire on weekends to practice muscle memory and target acquisition. My favorite is pictures, snack boxes and door knobs.

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Would like to have the laser ammo to practice with. Still shopping around.

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I have a SIRT pistol and the LASR software to match. The best dry-fire training tools I’ve ever seen.

I don’t “account for recoil” during dry fire. However, I ensure that my stance and grip are exactly what is used during live fire, so my body is positioned to manage the recoil.

The whole point of dry fire is to not have the recoil so you can focus on aim and trigger pull. If you do your dry fire correctly, there should be no flinch and when you do go live fire, you’ll hardly notice the recoil. The next step of getting your follow-up shot(s) pretty much has to be done with live fire training.

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With the setup I use, I rack the slide to cock the hammer. This is sort of like reacquiring sight picture for next shot. Nothing replaces live fire, but dry fire sure helps.

@Dawn I think we are mixing apples and grapes here. :stuck_out_tongue:

In PISTOL “dry fire” practice “I” only get “one shot” (with blow back air soft guns or some of the laser bits you may get more, not what I’m talking about). I use that one shot to build muscle memory for the grip, the draw, the meeting, the push and the press for the very first shot. That said, even in dry fire when I am tuned up the first shot goes off about half way to full extension when push and press come together after meeting. I noted in another topic that during the “push” phase it is very difficult to maintain the pistol horizontal & vertical and on target as you move it forward and bring it up. That is what I use dry fire for, not to see how small of a group I can make but to get that round off accurately while the gun is moving.

In multi shot training I am shooting real bullets, not dry firing, because I cannot, with a single action pistol.

To your point about reacquiring my front sight on a multi shot event, it has been probably 20 years since I have seen the front sight of my pistol on a double tap or the first two shot’s of a Mozambique.

Here is why:

I point shoot. I rely on muscle memory and proprioception to orient the muzzle and press the trigger when pointed in the right direction. Our government spent a princely sum of money and time to teach me how to do that and I maintain that skill to the best of my ability. John Wick I am not but I can shoot upside down, sideways and when moving to better than good effect.

The only time I “reacquire” my sight picture in a multiple shot event is standing, kneeling or sitting with a rifle/carbine, sometimes not even then. If I am prone I am like a slab of cement and I routinely watch bullets go into the target at 100 yards through a scope and in general I call my own wind out to 1 mile in favorable atmospheric conditions.

I hope that answered your question as to my response. I stand by the statement that if you are aware of recoil you are over gunned or not concentrating on what you are doing. Recoil is simply the indicator that your firearm worked and it is time to press again or evaluate if your target is no longer a threat.

Cheers,

Craig6

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So for people who train using dry firing how do you start? What challenges and tips can you share?

Did you use tools like a laser? https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/cool-fire-laser-recoil-trainer-fun/

@momo As the presenter of the video noted. Clear your GEAR!!! That’s first.

Then decide what it is you want to learn. Grip? Draw? Meet? Push? Press?

Don’t CHEAT!!!

Dry fire is monotonous and we all want to get to “Click” but the HOURS and DAYS that you spend dialing in your grip and your draw will pay HUGE “UGE” benefits, with grip being most important. You can go faster but I caution you to not add more steps until you have practiced to the point where you cant get step one wrong. Then ADD step two and begin again until you CAN’T Get both steps wrong.

Amateurs practice until they get it right, Professional’s practice until they CAN’T get it wrong.

Tools: I use a video camera or phone/tablet to record my movements.

I can stand still and poke one round at a time through a target all day long but that does not assist me in the dynamics of a draw and fire scenario. If you are just starting out by all means go from belly ready to front sight to trigger press but add in the “Push” where you come up straight level and flat from the bench. It will pay dividends when you get to Grip, Draw, Meet, Push, Press.

Cheers,

Craig6

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We also suggest to have absolutely no live ammo in the room where you’re doing dry fire training! Zero live ammo. None. Nada. Zilch. I think you get my point. :wink:

I’ve watched video presented by @momo… and have question to Pros…

Is the way he reloads (moving muzzle 90 degrees to left) correct / safe / proper practice?
I’ve been always told to control the muzzle, no matter what I’m doing…

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@Dawn if that were the case I would have to leave my HOUSE to dry fire.:flushed:

@Jerzy I was looking at that move he does, waist of time and effort. Would not fly on my range. I advocate bringing the pistol straight back and rotating the gun up so that your thumb nail is staring you in the face. Your mag should already be on or on it’s way to the floor by then and your left hand is coming up with a fresh mag finger on the nose and in she goes. Hit the slide release while getting your grip or rack the slide whichever you need to do. Rotate flat and level and push out.

Cheers,

Craig6

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My focus with dry fire is drawing from holster and muzzle/trigger control. I’ll work recoil on the range.