Welcome @CraigO
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Welcome to the community!
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I visited Vail driving from CA through NV and UT. Upon arrival, I unknowingly and unlawfully carried a firearm concealed.
I only realized it when I saw a cop. I went about my business and none’s the wiser.
I did learn my lesson and became more mindful.
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It all comes down to the LEO. I’ve been stopped in Illinois. I’ve had all the windows rolled down and my hands on the steering wheel. Informed the officer about my license and a firearm in the vehicle (which I keep under my left leg). He was jumpy and irritated that I had a firearm in the vehicle. He removed it and then went back to his vehicle. Came back and handed me back the firearm unloaded.
I’ve been stopped in Wisconsin. Handled the stop in the exact same manor. That officer told me to leave it there and don’t move it. Asked me my name and went back to his vehicle. Came back and sent me on my way.
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Hope you at least got the mag and/or cartridges back. We hate illegal seizure.
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I’m not sure how I feel about letting an LEO disarm me. While I agree letting the LEO know is wise, I think also using the statement: I intend no harm to anyone or to you. Should follow letting the LEO know.
I had an accident Nov 23 and was in and out of it but could stand on my own and was in and out of it mentally. The LEO took it and I called my mom to come get me and the LEO gave my weapon to her. My concern is what would have happened if mom would not have been there in 5 minutes? Where does my gun go?
I don’t remember the issue but the USCCA magazine did an article on this once. Who gets the receipt that my gun was taken and how do I get it back? Basically the advice the article gave was to do what I did. Give it to a relative to take care of for you until you can get it back from him/her. But the other questions were never answered.
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If you are in a permitless carry State, and it is not a requirement to disclose, then I would not say anything unless asked directly,… “Do you have weapons in the vehicle?”. If you have a permit, 9 times out of 10, it is a requirement to disclose and present the permit at a traffic stop and indicate to the officer where the weapon is.
From there on, the officer may temporarily retrieve the weapon until they are finished, or they may simply say “Leave it there and dont reach for it.” until the completion of the stop. Some officers/deputies want to inspect the weapon and/or ensure that the serial number matches the one on your permit, as some states only allow 3 weapons on a permit, while others say any pistol within reason to their rules (No Rifle Rounds, Threaded Barrels or calibers above 44 Magnum, et.al.).
Otherwise, be safe, everyone!
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It just doesn’t make sense to me. Let’s say I hand over or the LEO takes it to feel safe. At some point s/he is going to have to give it back. Ending up with you armed same before it was taken. Taking it to check the serial number is a 4th amendment violation, right? I told s/he I had one, I have a permit which shows I’m a good guy. So WTF? Oops, I used an accepted cuss word form. Hang me high.
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Seems like we are talking about if you were the driver. SCOTUS says a stop can’t be extended to the passenger(s) in the car. Does that duty to inform also extend to the passengers? Which I think is what is being asked.
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Not that easy in CA
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Do you really carry in condition “zero”?
Guess I’m surprised!
Especially in the car!
I’m a big fan of condition “one” with a 1911, the safety comes off as I draw.
Was trained that way back in the seventies. I’m never concerned about my trigger finger ( it’s very disciplined ).
I’m more concerned about external factors, seatbelts, clothing, etc.
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Yes, my 365 doesn’t have a manual safety to engage.
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Neither of my Cajeks have a safety either. Loaded in the holster ready to go. Leaving it in the holster and trigger finger discipline for the safety.
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If the officer asks the driver if they have a weapon, the answer would be no. Yet an open ended question of “Are there any weapons in the vehicle?” would equate to a yes.
In California, everyone gets ID’ed. If one is a CCW holder in CA, its required that it be disclosed, if one is a driver or passenger. SCOTUS has made several provisions that dont always segue into the letter of the law for some States, and CA is definitely one of them. Its their rules or else,… and they are arrest happy here, so that does not help.
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I will confirm that.
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I guess I should clarify, My Kimber has a trigger safety so I don’t have to move a safety switch. So it has a safety by acts like condition Zero.
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Great subject Tom177.
Lots of excellent replies. I cannot add. Not to make light, but the group reminded me of Mickey, who I love.
I know this vid is long but I thought well worth so many varied laughs, I hope you all enjoy it as much as I did.
I swear I found the third Blues Brother, these guys deserve some major comedy awards:
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Not necessarily true. There are several stories in CCM where the person assumed that handing the LEO the permit was all that was needed, and got bit on the technicality that they did not SAY they were armed. Additionally, there is a recent story where it took the person 14 seconds to SAY they were armed, and the judge decided that 14 seconds did not meet the requirement of immediately informing… Don’t make assumptions about just handing them your permit. Handing them your permit does not indicate whether or not you are armed, it only indicates that you were issued a permit after meeting the requirements for obtaining a permit.
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Very true. If he ran my plates he already knows the registered owner has a permit.
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