Thanks, Peter.
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Itâs my understanding that the 14th amendment was written to grant freed African slaves legal status. I think that using it to âanchorâ babies is a travesty of the law and should not be permitted. Changing the 14th is a daunting process but it needs to be done. The Immigration laws need a complete overhaul to bring in talent that will contribute to our success instead of leeches and criminals.
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@Dave145 Welcome back. 
I can only imagine how frustrating that must have been. 
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All work visas should have renewal dates for extensions. Likewise for educational programs expiring at the end of the semester. Post graduate work or summer programs must have a separate visa with a definite expiration date to go home. In any case, work or educational visas does not convey any form of legal U.S. citizenship and the citizenship of nation of origin of the visa holders is retained, as does any child born from a union of the visa holders.
As well, a child born to individuals who came here illegally are to be considered citizens of the nation(s) of origin of the parents. There are laws that prevent criminals from profiting from illegal acts. U.S. citizenships have value. To grant citizenship stemming from a criminal act (and crossing the border illegally is a criminal act) is to reward criminal behavior.
Pregnant individuals crossing the border to birth a child in the U.S. to gain citizenship for the child would not convey citizenship to the child. "The keel was laid in the country of origin. As such, the country of origin retains ownership of the result regardless of if the launch takes place in a country that is NOT the country of parental origin.
And before the 14th Amendment is brought up, it was intended to protect slaves by granting legal cover to those people brought here prior to and during the 1861-1865 âunpleasantnessâ. Unfortunately, it didnât take long for the politicians to stretch the limits on that Amandment.
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Not to dismiss the constitution but currently there are laws that take away rights granted by the constitution if a person breaks the law of the land. Why canât that include breaking into our country to have a baby?
Become a felon and you lose your 2A rights. There wasnât a constitutional committee for that. Congress passed a law and the Pres signed it, voila you donât have gun rights because you committed a crime with a gun. Congress needs to pass a law, the pres signs it and voila anchor babies canât work to keep illegals here. Same if on a visa or any other immigration issue.
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Thinking about it some more. Having your 2A right taken away wasnât even a federal law. It was states that took your 2A rights for crimes with a firearm. Think we can get states to do the same with immigration? I think Star Trek phasers will be developed b4 that happens.
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All visitor visas are issued with set expiration dates (maximum six months) and student and work visas issued with conditions to hold employment or be attending school for them to be valid. The problem is that there is no mechanism to enforce the time limits or conditions. They are issued based on good faith that the conditions will be honored. We know how well thatâs been working when thereâs no enforcement.
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This doesnât require an amendment to the consitutuion, just a new âinterpretationâ. With the current Supreme Court, they have shown again and again that they are open to reinterpret things that were thought settled for decades or longer. I would not be surprised at all if the constitution is interpreted to mean that birthright citizenship doesnât apply if the parents are not here legally (or even here on temporary visas).
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This made me cringeâŠas then theyâll want to change the 2ndâŠthen the 1st.
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The comments are quite enlightening, especially ones about the founders intent with its history. Is there a thought about multi-level resolutions? Because of the work my husband & I do in the community, we have meet several illegal persons working & not causing trouble. We had opportunities to help & now they either have a green card or are working toward it. It is an incredibly expensive process, upwards of $20,000. Many attorneys do not know immigration law. And the people are desperate. Hereâs the thought⊠If an adult has been in the USA for say 5 years, has a steady job, has family including children who are going to school, could there be a process where they must pursue ESL & citizenship classes & stay out of troubleâŠ? They must begin a documented process of becoming legal immigrants. Those who have recently come in illegally, well then, they return to their country of origin with the agreement from their country they will not be punished - which is likely to happen to some. Then there are the âdreamersâ who have an amazing American future ahead of them. When I research who they are, we could extend citizenship to them. Because I worked at the American Civic Association, I saw many who struggled to come into the USA legally. The ACA charged only for the cost of the forms. There are those who learned quickly via the caseworker of the laws here - like you can only bring one wife. Those who come in legally should get top priority. Approach this problem with care for the laws & the person.
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Good day to you, Joy7, welcome to the community!
Take care & be well
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It was. But each and every State Department person I worked with agreed what I had to do was stupid.
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2 wrongs donât give the offspring any rights.
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Thereâs certainly a heartstrings vs. pursestrings component to all of this. Still, we have laws already, theyâre just not being enforced. Bypassing them for people who came in illegally while others who are waiting legally doesnât make sense to me. Weâre either a country of laws or we arenât. Also, we (should) want the best brightest, not the lowest, no matter how âgoodâ they are. America should strive (be determined to) be the best, not accommodate the most people in need at our own expense.
The current incentive is to get a kid born here so that your whole family can stay. Thatâs hugely manipulative of the system.
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I think the parents need to have legal status before can gain one, the system have been abused a lot by visitorâs visa giving birth and leaving th3 country immediately, some donât even pay the hospital bills.
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So you are saying that all of us are birth right citizens, because we are born here and our parents are USA citizens?
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Good day to you, Donald_E2, and welcome to the community! Weâre thankful that youâve chosen to join us and hope you enjoy your time online with us.
Take care & be well
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My augment exactly when anyone advocates for any illegal immigrant for anything or any right whatsoever is; what part of Illegal donât you understand?
They should not be here in the first place, ergo we owe them nothing, but an escort out of our country.
You can pay for their forever support out of your pocket, but donât expect anything of my taxpayer money out of my pockets.
You want to defund something? Defund the illegal immigrants.
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Wouldnât just truly closing the border, so people canât come in illegally, pretty much make the whole point moot? No need to reinterpret the constitution, just fix the root of the problem.
I just saw Trumpâs man of the year interview. Heâs on it. The border (south and north) will close, hard.
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Without deporting them, you still have the problem of all the criminals that came in. Donât let a piss ant cross the border and then work on getting the 15M others out.
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