Well she did the right thing.But first of all why do
Did she open the door the second time
Two things. It said he returned a few minutes later forcing his way in. Where was she in the house when he returned and how close was she to the door. Without all the information hard to say what she should have done.
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At my home no one EVER opens the door for anyone other than those I personally invited, ID is required uniforms and marked vehicles are required for all contractors, emails, phone calls and prior communication is also required. We donāt sign for packages, we donāt receive packages at our home. Uniform or no uniform, police, fire or EMS, that door stays closed unless you were invited and or verified.
This world has changed so much that we have been left with no other choice but to defend our lives and homes ourselves. Blumberg might think heās better than me but I will defend my family and home to the death no matter the consequences.
If need be the non emergency number will be dialed to find out if the uniformed person at my door is legitimate.
If a person at my door is on fire and bleeding from his/her eyes, entry is not an option. If I feel you are for real maybe I will call 911. (everyone theses days has a cell phone attached to their ears, you donāt need my assistance). That locked door is there for their protection.
Rules of engagement at my castle is, if you forcibly break in you leave in a body bag, of course if the bad guys meets all the criteria for my use of deadly force per my state statutes.
Forcibly breaking in is also proof of intent. Hesitation kills!
I can hear some of you now, what if he was just drunk, wrong house, wrong day, wrong time, wrong state of mind, drug induced hallucination. It takes a lot of effort and thought to break into someoneās home.
My wife encountered a similar situation, never opened the door but watched as the perp checked other avenues of entrance to my home.
When LEO arrived my wife was informed that her only mistake was calling me first. I actually arrived prior to law enforcement.
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There is allways the chance he will return if he is aowed to leave and next time he may be better prepared . Who wants to take that chance?alloud!
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@Gene9, I donāt know what state you live in but I live in NH. Itās a constitutional carry state. The law here as it applies to a fleeing felon is RSA 627:5
āIV. A private person acting on his own is justified in using non-deadly force upon another when and to the extent that he reasonably believes it necessary to arrest or prevent the escape from custody of such other whom he reasonably believes to have committed a felony and who in fact has committed that felony: but he is justified in using deadly force for such purpose only when he reasonably believes it necessary to defend himself or a third person from what he reasonably believes to be the imminent use of deadly force.ā
Itās not my place to decide if there is probable cause. I am not law enforcement. I can only defend against an imminent threat.
i think she did the right thing,i wouldnāt change a thing. things happen quick he grabbed her threw her to the ground and started advancing, when people are startled they delay; it didnāt hurt to show her own force if necessary. considering the situation i would have done the same thing.
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Telling citizens they must retreat in own home is nonsense. The home is the last stand. If they get in there you fire with everything you got.
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Where do you draw the line. They steal our cars, property,Iād and sence of well being in our own neighborhood. Once they penetrate the only we have left. We stop them we stop them. Cops can only do so much. Thatās why cops agree with private gun ownership.
They breach your home. You open up with whatever you have. Reload and make sure. Otherwise they will be on the streets within 48hrs. Your choice.
I think Squire De Witt is advising the exact opposite that I teach my wife and daughters. The intruder grabbed the lady by the neck and threw her down, inside her home. I teach never turn your back to retreat. If in some oneās grasp and they are facing you, grab them and start chewing, until released, if they are behind, stomping on the attackers instep, or a foot/leg behind the attacker and falling backwards is an effective way to break the holdā¦ when able to present a firearm, it is important to know that lives are at stake and if you do not take the S.O.B. out, you are still at risk and when the firearm comes out, it needs to be barking. Do not carry if you are not willing to pull the damn trigger in defense of your own life and home!
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Not everyone can afford alarms bells & whistles. I for one will not run & hide in my own home.
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Enjoyed the debate and what you stated is correct and is applied to the fleeing felon . God bless you and your family Jesus saves
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not lawyerā¦ BUT IIRC the conditions areā¦
the must be attacking or threatening to attackā¦ you or an innocentā¦
once they turn to run/fleeā¦ they are no longer a threatā¦
and the courts will say you no longer had the need to shootā¦
some would even call it murder at that pointā¦
BUTā¦ donāt trust this info ASK an ATTORNEY!
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He made his intentions for the use of physical force by grabbing her, by the throat and throwing her down. The fact she did not see a weapon initially does NOT mean he wasnāt armed, he may have decided that a woman was not an immediate threat. He demonstrated what he thought was an absolute demonstration of control over her. I am sure attitudes and responses would have been different had he pulled a weapon.
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Welcome to the community Joseph!
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When a intruder like that grabs a woman by her neck itās deadly force to me. I would of ask him what color coffin he wanted and shot him 9 times.
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The homeowner ultimately was able to get the intruder to leave and stop any additional incidents and harm from occurring. She very likely saved her life by not only being armed, but having the skills and training to present it.
Itās not clear if āforced way into homeā was due to the homeowner opening the door and the intruder pushing his way in, or if the intruder kicked in the door.
In either case the homeowner should have been on heightened alert after the initial suspicious encounter to be better prepared, kept eyes on him and possibly alerted the police of a suspicious person in the neighborhood.
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If they are running away they are no longer a threat and you will be at fault if you shoot them. This is the standard across the US.
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You do not provide enough information to make an educated statement. What time of day did this occur? Did the homeowner open the door the during the first encounter? Or, did she speak through the closed door noting the individual on her doorbell camera. Did she open the door upon the second encounter or did he kick the door in? Where did he encounter the homeowner inside the home? At the door? At the other side of the room? In the bedroom where possibly she had retreated? Was the homeowner carrying her pistol of did she retrieve it from a drawer when she heard him kick the door. Please provide full details before asking our opinion of the outcome of the situation. This short story would not be enough information if you were detailing it in court.
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In most states, we are able to use lethal force when there is imminent, unavoidable danger of death or grave bodily harm. If the attacker is retreating the threat has ended and you can no longer shoot - if you did, you would most likely be considered the aggressor.
Please remember, saying things like āThey will likely be shot deadā or āheād be DRT (dead right there)ā can be used against you in court. When we have to physically defend ourselves with lethal force due to imminent, unavoidable danger of death or grave bodily harm, we are shooting to stop the threat. While we know our shots may kill, our goal is always to stop the threat. Once the threat has stopped, we have to stop shooting or we become the aggressor.
These situations are purposefully left vague so that you can consider a multitude of situations for your mental training. Thinking about what you would do in a variety of situations will help you be better prepared in case the worst happens.
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Society would be better off if she had put one between his eyes.
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