Have any of you seen this footage before? What advise would you give mother and daughter so they’ll be safer if they ever have to defend themselves again?
What other self-defense mistakes have you seen on the news that you’ve been able to learn from?
Yes, I remember this video. I was surprised that the bad guy was still moving around after being shot at least 6 times…then he still had the strength to wrestle a gun away from one of the ladies. I remember wondering if this could be an issue of ‘not enough gun’? Thank God the ladies finally won the day, but that was a situation that I would not want to get caught in.
Also, if they had emptied their weapons, they are in a liquor store. I see shelves full of potential weapons. Start bashing him with bottles. I definitely would not have let him get that close. And like @KevinM said in the video, don’t store the gun next to where the criminals are likely to go. I’m a “keep it in your body” person as well.
Very true, @45IPAC and @Henry_A! I wouldn’t let anyone get that close to me in an attack situation. I’d be throwing bottles at him if I didn’t have my gun on me.
Off-body guns have to be kept safe, and keeping that at the register isn’t the best idea. I understand why they thought it was a good idea, but it is right where the bad guys are going to go. I’m betting they assumed he’d stay on the other side of the counter and demand money, unfortunately for them, that’s not how this guy operated. 
Two brave women.
Otherwise - hmmm - where do I start.
So - Everything Kevin said “plus”:
“Partly Trained” is a stretch.
If you are going to be using a gun - GET TRAINED.
Not just part-way.
If you are going to Train people - “TRAIN” them. Dammit.
I don’t know what is worse - Part Training or No training.
The typical Conceal Carry Course is NOT - “Training”.
They got lucky.
Even given that most gun fights are terrifying, confusing events.
One is “partly” trained, the other just enough to get both
killed.
They look like 2 chickens trying to catch a Snake.
These 2 Brave women deserved better.
So DONT - “Partly” train people.
Train them to the point the bad guy can “See” that “HE”
made a big mistake.
Don’t just teach them how to shoot, teach them how to “Fight”.
With and without a gun.
Looks to me like she may have “run dry” - so then-Pistol whip him.
Or as, some say, bust him with a liquor bottle.
What you “should” do:
Quick, solid Draw to a good solid Defensive Position.
(But you have to teach people how to do that)
Then - “STOP RIGHT THERE, OR I “WILL” SHOOT YOU”
From “behind” the counter.
Or - “here”(this case) - just start shooting until he is down.
LOL - great visual description! Really nails it.
I learned to fight without a gun first and I definitely found it useful now that I carry! Having multiple options is never a bad thing.
Good for you.
When you teach people “How to Shoot”(Defensive Shooting) do you teach them how to “fight” to “get to” their gun?
Since often you may have to - 1st Fight - just to “get to” your gun.
Since many, if not most, attacks are ambushes.
I am not talking about a full year of Karate but enough simple, common Defensive moves to be able to get-to your gun.
Arm to Head block, eye stab, finger manipulations, foot stomp, move - “to Draw and shoot” etc. Retention Position Shooting - Low and High.
And realizing that it’s your life in the balance so there’s no fighting “fair” like we’re taught our whole life.
Agree.
Including “Mind Set” - I want my threat to know that he is about to be shot if he comes any further toward me. And I know how to do it.
In a Strong Defensive Position. (Assuming there is time)
ie "STOP RIGHT THERE, OR I “WILL” SHOOT YOU.
(Assuming you have time to warn him.)
This “has” worked for me in the past - Against 5-1 no less.
Glad it worked for you, @Defender! 5 to 1 is not a situation I’d want to find myself in. 
I am most glad, of all, that I did Not have to shoot.
I was protecting a dozen women and children behind me - at night in the woods at a campground.
But learned that showing you know what you are doing and take a strong stance and let them know you “Mean Business” - “Can” work.
But be ready to act/respond if it does not.
That could have gone bad about a hundred different ways.
Keep your self defense tools on you or they are next to useless.
All good. I can tell you from experience though if you really want to get the bad guy to separate him/herself from you bite down like it was your last meal on whatever part of their body is closest to your mouth.
Humans instantly recoil from a hard bite.