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Once you have the reload down you can practice the tactical reload. The tactic reload is harder and takes more time. One can only do tactical reloads under cover. unless you want to get shot.

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Seems to be a lot of questions to be answered, so let’s break everything down.

But before we proceed, let’s clarify these:

  • tactical reload should be made only when you are behind cover or concealment. It’s rare (but not impossible and sometimes might be needed) doing this exposed, but in such case you must be in the move.

This is actually the first reason for tactical reload. If you don’t know how many rounds you have, how do you want to reengage the threat? How do you plan to keep shooting if you have no idea how many rounds you can shoot?


Confidence. I know that my next move won’t be interrupted by empty chamber.
Can you predict what happens next, when you reengage? Will you have time to do emergency reload when you find yourself in the middle of continuous shooting?
I personally feel better knowing I’m ready for next step with 16 rounds.


Yes, eventually my mag will have less rounds, but the chances of using the original (already swapped) magazine are very small.
If I shot 10 rounds or so and do tactical reload I’m ready for another 15, meaning I can shoot 25 times without exposing my self to open danger (emergency reload is really danger if happens unexpectedly)
Emergency reload may eventually occur because it’s impossible to perform tactical reload over and over
 but I want this happens as late as possible with chance that it won’t be necessary.


I think all above should clarify everything.


I understand that each of us creates his / her own tactics and has plan to survive gun fight and these may differ.
But

There is a simple rule: more firepower, more chances to survive.
Why would you minimize your chances not having full magazine available at the moment?

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Not true.
The time and mechanics are very similar → if you practice.
OK. I can agree, that emergency reload is 0.5 sec faster
 but there is a reason we do tactical reload behind cover or concealment.
I have seen students struggling with tactical reload, but once properly trained and practiced - no difference comparing to emergency reload.

I’m not sure what did you mean by that :point_up_2:


Remember - Chances of being hit during emergency reload are exponentially bigger than during tactical reload

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There is also one more factor, why we should practice tactical reload - it gives the time when you can put your sh*t together.
You can take a few deep breaths and rethink the situation. Less stress better chance to win the gunfight.

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Enemy shouldn’t be there. I fixed it.

It is true. There is no point in doing a reaload if you are not out of ammo. You wouldn’t do a tactical unless you are under cover.

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There is a point and the whole idea of tactical reload. You do this when you are not out of ammo
 because you are avoiding to going out of ammo.

Anyway
 I’m guessing we mostly agree with the idea
 but you probably skipped few posts
 and that happens when we have few concurrent discussions under single thread.

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This is what I don’t get. I wouldn’t do a reload unless I was out of ammo in my magazine. Unless one was really good at dodging bullets or it wasn’t a deadly situation.

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But the firepower doesn’t change. The only thing that changes is when it is used.

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Why would you minimize your chances not having full magazine available at the moment?
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Yea, I understand that but at the same time, why would you want to slow yourself down near the end with more mag changes. If I were behind cover I would think that would be the best place for an emergency reload or a tactical reload. It would also be my preferred place to shoot from with what I had left in my first mag or even my spare if I had to do an emergency reload.

I only carry one spare mag and can only get 24 +1 out of the two. I still don’t believe I would want to be changing out partially filled mags at the end of an extended gunfight. I would rather do it once and do what every ones plan is, finish it before I run completely out.

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I’m confused as to why anyone should prioritize one type of reload over another. They are complimentary skills that have much in common and I see ZERO reasons why you can’t have both in your tool kit! They apply to different situations and you should be at ease performing BOTH!!!

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Lots of debate over reloads and what type. I concentrate on my effectiveness with the 12+1 in the gun. In all probability if I require my reload I’ve chosen the wrong fight and should have been paying more attention to my situation.

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Yeah, but sometimes the “wrong fight” chooses you and you have no say of when and where, sooooooooo having the tools to deal with as many potential situations is always a good idea. I found myself in one of those situations just a couple of years ago.

I was accompanying my wife while she was shopping in an upscale mall in what is considered a very safe and affluent area of the city we lived in at that time. As usual as she shops I watch everyone around us because quite frankly I trust NO ONE!!! We were in the women’s area of a department store when out of nowhere a VIOLENT fight broke out between two individuals and in seconds about 5 other folks joined in.

In just seconds my wife and I were blocked out of the only exit available to us and cornered by the group which was now overturning racks and slinging anything they could find at each other. So I backed up my wife against a wall and got my firearm at ready not having any clue at what was happening next. I can tell you at that point 31 rounds of 9mm felt really good at my disposal.

Thankfully the mini-riot did not continue to move in our direction and in about a minute the store security team and a handful of police (probably already patrolling the mall) came in a started swiftly arresting people which caused the fight to end. I spoke to one of the officers on my way out, identified myself and asked him if he needed my contact info as a potential witness and he said no need, they got everyone involved and the store security cameras (lots of them) had everything they needed to lock these guys up. Something told me they were anticipating this event.

In summary, the is no reason to neglect reloads while working on marksmanship. Even if you’re just standing stationary in front of a target you have to reload your gun sometime, so make the reload count as training too. it MIGHT just come in handy when facing the unexpected and it’s no extra time out of your range session.

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If you are not shooting you are moving and reloading. If you are not moving and reloading your dead. Did I get it right?

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No you got it backwards. If you are not moving and reloading your dead. If you are not shooting you are moving and reloading.

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No! YOU got it all wrong. What if you’re moving but you can’t reload because you’re dead or you’re not dead but you can’t reload because you can’t move? Then what? Answers please.
WTF over? No 2 situations are alike. Like thinking that punching holes in paper is going to prepare you for a brutal encounter.
Overthinking no bueno

Yeah . That’s what I’ve been trying to explain.
Even I still value more tactical reload over emergency reload, my point here was to train and practice both.
What I’ve seen is that in most classes tactical reload is almost forgotten and Instructors spend a lot of time on emergency reload, which make me think how the hell we are going to win the gunfight, if we don’t know who to manage the ammo. Shooting till slide lock is not smart.

So, as @Enzo_T said - practice both and use the one that gives better chance to win the fight.


 whatever needed to be said, has been said


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So let me ask one more time: Why would you want be in the situation when you are engaging the threat and you run out of ammo, because you had only fe. half of your magazine remaining?
Gunfight is so dynamic, that you have no idea what to expect in next few seconds, so better to have full mag in the firearm that in the pocket.

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The object is to take the other guy out of the fight. That is what comes to mind. Not reload when I don’t have to. Besides, I always carry a full magazine

One thing I think is missing is how many magazines is one carrying. If you are rolling with 6 additional magazines hell yeah drop’em like hot cakes. But if you have 1 or 2 additional magazines then ammo becomes precious and you could end up having to go back to an almost empty magazine, which means you performed 2 additional actions to end up with the same results.

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A speed reload is done when speed is required.
A tactical reload is when you mat have time to change the magazine.
It is a matter of walking or running. You need to move fast then use a speed reload. If you have time and cover do a tactical reload.

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