38 Special or 380?

If you accept ammo maker claims at face value, you might have a point. I trust personally-witnessed chronography from actual carried firearms to make my assessments and choices, and the 380 ACP is conspicuous by its absence in my carry rotation. The 380 does raise quite a welt, to paraphrase one of my fellow rangemasters. 9mm Makarov remains my “floor” caliber for exchanges of finality, and I rate the 38 Special slightly ahead of the 9 Mak.

I arrived at my conclusions via actual participation in these exchanges, and via investigations of several hundred such exchanges–to include attendance at trauma rooms and autopsy suites–where the win/loss records REALLY get registered. Boutique-made ammo or not, you need to thoroughly assess the likely target(s) of your defensive strategy. “Here Be Dragons”, as the old ocean charts once claimed. If you can reliably place shots in an eye socket at the contemplated engagement ranges, then pocket blowbacks (many 380s are of this type) will suffice. A bit larger margin of error seems wise to me, though.

Think of it this way…as a general rule, we do not hunt deer with 380 ACP pistols. Even a 9 x 19 pistol seems a bit light for the venue. I do hunt deer with handguns, usually a 357 or 44 Magnum or a Ruger-level 45 Colt load. A lot of handgun hunters consider the 357 Magnum a little lacking for deer-sized game. Most deer are taken by long guns, some of which are quite powerful, several orders of magnitude more so than most handguns.

Deer seldom attack hunters or other humans. Violent, predatory humans DO attack other humans with intent to do great bodily harm or prompt death. Deer and humans are both thin-skinned mammals weighing between 100# and 300#. Deer do not ingest most intoxicants (they do love fresh, growing marijuana); humans ingest all manner of racing fuels and combinations of same, and often prep for their depredations by ingesting these fuels.

The 22 LR, 25 ACP, 32 ACP, and 380 ACP are all well-past their “Sell-by” dates. They were developed during an era before advanced trauma care and antibiotics, and during a time when many (if not most) targeted subjects were fleeing apprehension or detection. These calibers are “Marking pellets”, not serious defensive tools. People fled at the sight of a deployed firearm because life experience 80-100 years ago taught them that the lingering, agonizing death by a festering gunshot wound was best avoided. Gunshot victims sought care at hospitals, leading to their identification as ne’er-do-wells, and hospitals are mandated reporters of GSWs for this reason.

Gunfight dynamics have changed–radically. In the modern era we ONLY shoot people that are posing a lethal/GBI threat and are demonstrably capable of completing that course of conduct. They aren’t going away–they are coming at you and/or in your face, likely blitzed out of their minds on intoxicants and therefore anaesthetized past any pain compliance even registering. A 32 or 380 ACP? REALLY?

Many of us need to re-assess our defensive strategies and tooling.

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Been practicing at the range with Hornady’s, & Liberty Civil Defense 50 gr. I special ordered a 32 caliber revolver, and 32 ACP; on a wait list.

I’m like a Freshman year when it comes to all of this, but I’m taking into account my “accuracy”, more than my wanting a higher caliber.

I may be wrong, but think about if I have a large caliber but miss the attacker, Vs. if I use a smaller caliber and hit the attacker.

RIP, the poor gentleman in this video faced three attackers, and a fourth gettaway driver. So compelling, it made me think more about the accuracy aspect. Vests? IDK.

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My goal is to stimulate thought, and to cause citizen self-defenders to see with clarity.

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Hi Michael. I think my USCCA email is turned off. My hand’s injured, so I’m looking for better grips too. Copied below is the 32 I’m on a wait list for; A .32HR, which Kevin M. of the USCCA made a video about. I misspoke, I’m also on wait list for a Ruger .380 ACP, copied below. Any & all feedback would help. Peace.

https://ruger.com/products/lcpII/specSheets/3759.html

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@Burdo, I have the Ruger LCP 2 and I love it. It’s a nice backup pocket pistol. I sometimes carry it in the summer in my cargo shorts. I shoots decent and the trigger reset is better than the original LCP 380.

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Thanks everyone for the advice. Well received. Being somewhat still new to this life style, learning a lot. Including about recoil, and grip quality differentiation. Have a hand ailment. Never realized all those years using my hands at work/within my occupation, bike riding, and golfing would take its toll on my hands. Be well.

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Thanks for the tips. I guess one’s health and abilities factor in as well.

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The Ruger LCP & LCP 2 380 are very easy to conceal and easy to control but they are pretty snappy and not comfortable to practice with. The 32 H&R is a powerfull good defense cartridge. I understand the Ruger 32 H&R cc revolver is very snappy to shoot. On the other hand the Charter arms 32H&R should be much easier to shoot, it may print bigger but I think it will shoot like crazy. Wish I had one. PS: you can also shoot 32S&W long & 32 colt new police amo in it but, you should not shoot 32S&W long colt. The long colt has a smaller case size and could
Rupture in the cylinder. :us::us::us::us:

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Thanks Blacky. Finally paid off my school loan, and a put down payment on both calibers. Awaiting when the market will catch up with demand. Stay well.

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This may only muddy the waters but I thought it was interesting.

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Can you find ammunition for either caliber right now? If you can’t, then neither one will do you much good.

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I’ve been finding 380 in dribs & drabs. Still looking for 38 spl.

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@Mlman Not sure what your willing to pay but AMMO.COM has a few offerings in .38 spl. :us:

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My snubbie is my trusty. .38 special Ultra lite Taurus with +p jhp coming out of 1 1/4 inch barrel is loud af louder than a 12 gauge. At least for my experience lol I was like wtf this little guy is loud and accurate.

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I can get .38 special+p easy in Wisconsin. All I carry

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Don’t forget that a .357 Magnum / .38 Special revolver can also be feed .38 Colt (not .38 S&W) which is like shooting a mild .22.

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The 380 revolver requires a moon clip.