# Weapons **URL:** \ **Category:** Legal & Second Amendment\ **Created:** [June 7, 2022, 12:21pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/weapons/82629 "2022-06-07T12:21:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Brad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/brad/32/9565_2.png) [@Brad](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Brad)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 4:31pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/weapons/82629/41 "2022-06-07T16:31:00Z")
I think we should stop using the term woke. ---
**Author:** ![Dave17](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/dave17/32/15053_2.png) [@Dave17](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Dave17)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 4:31pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/weapons/82629/42 "2022-06-07T16:31:50Z")
And just call it being ignorant and/or brainwashed? ---
**Author:** ![John292](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/john292/32/22214_2.png) [@John292](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/John292)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 4:32pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/weapons/82629/43 "2022-06-07T16:32:40Z")
Calling the .22s my Scouts trained with _sporting arms_ is accurate (see what I did there?) Could they be used as weapons? With training (remember the IDF successfully deployed scoped and suppressed Ruger 10/22s during riots) but my scouts weren’t trained for that. ---
**Author:** ![Barry54](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/barry54/32/55441_2.png) [@Barry54](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Barry54)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 4:34pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/weapons/82629/44 "2022-06-07T16:34:22Z")
> [@John292](#): > > Calling the .22s my Scouts trained with _sporting arms_ is accurate So then you agree not all firearms should be called weapons. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Dave17](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/dave17/32/15053_2.png) [@Dave17](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Dave17)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 4:35pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/weapons/82629/45 "2022-06-07T16:35:13Z")
> [@John292](#): > > In CA the only weapons allowed to be listed on a CCW are handguns, IIRC Yes, some states require that the carry handgun be listed on the license/permit. Virginia does not have that. We are “allowed” to carry any handgun we have - and we do not have a list of “approved” handguns. ---
**Author:** ![John292](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/john292/32/22214_2.png) [@John292](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/John292)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 4:37pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/weapons/82629/46 "2022-06-07T16:37:18Z")
Lucky devil! ---
**Author:** ![John292](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/john292/32/22214_2.png) [@John292](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/John292)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 4:40pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/weapons/82629/47 "2022-06-07T16:40:09Z")
Agreed, depending on the intent and deployment. To the best of my understanding, there’s no such thing as a “sporting” ICBM ---
**Author:** ![Brad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/brad/32/9565_2.png) [@Brad](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Brad)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 4:44pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/weapons/82629/48 "2022-06-07T16:44:48Z")
I would say more like unfounded. ---
**Author:** ![Brad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/brad/32/9565_2.png) [@Brad](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Brad)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 4:48pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/weapons/82629/49 "2022-06-07T16:48:14Z")
> [@Barry54](#): > > So then you agree not all firearms should be called weapons. > Thank you. Please don’t treat our own family like that. Nearly 100% of my firearms aren’t weapons. They sit in a safe, would never be carried or out and available, or loaded. They are for fun and learning for me and my friends/family. They were not purchased for protection, conflict, or any intent to harm/kill anything whatsoever. We aren’t you. We aren’t like you. Don’t play games trying to get people to think like you, or manipulate their thoughts/words in a public forum so that you hear what you want. It is the opposite of a wonderful forum like this. ---
**Author:** ![Barry54](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/barry54/32/55441_2.png) [@Barry54](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Barry54)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 4:55pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/weapons/82629/50 "2022-06-07T16:55:12Z")
> [@John292](#): > > If I buy a .38 snub to **defend my family** , it’s a weapon So what if someone buys a 4” barrel 38/357 and shoots paper targets and never points it at a person their entire life? Is that a weapon? Does the barrel being longer not automatically make it a weapon? I believe what the object/tool is currently being used for determines if it is a weapon or not. What about a well used black powder firearm that actually was used in a war in the 1800’s and now hangs over the fireplace. Is that a weapon? ---
**Author:** ![Dave17](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/dave17/32/15053_2.png) [@Dave17](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Dave17)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 4:58pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/weapons/82629/51 "2022-06-07T16:58:46Z")
> [@Brad](#): > > I would say more like unfounded. Stating “unfounded people” or a “person is unfounded” is linguistically awkward and not a proper usage of the term. nor would most people understand its equivalence to “woke”. Using the term “ignorant” is equivalent to “woke”, and stating “ignorant people” or a “person is ignorant” is linguistically better, proper usage, and easily understood. ---
**Author:** ![Barry54](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/barry54/32/55441_2.png) [@Barry54](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Barry54)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 5:06pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/weapons/82629/52 "2022-06-07T17:06:11Z")
> [@Brad](#): > > Don’t play games I’m sorry Brad or anyone else that I have hurt by trying to have thought provoking conversation about firearms vs weapons terminology in a 2A section of a forum. John who I directly quoted agreed that not all firearms should be called weapons under all circumstances. No name calling. No harm intended… ---
**Author:** ![Barry54](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/barry54/32/55441_2.png) [@Barry54](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Barry54)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 5:12pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/weapons/82629/53 "2022-06-07T17:12:45Z")
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**Author:** ![John292](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/john292/32/22214_2.png) [@John292](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/John292)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 5:30pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/weapons/82629/54 "2022-06-07T17:30:19Z")
> [@Barry54](#): > > So what if someone buys a 4” barrel 38/357 and shoots paper targets and never points it at a person their entire life? Is that a weapon? > Does the barrel being longer not automatically make it a weapon? > > I believe what the object/tool is currently being used for determines if it is a weapon or not. > > What about a well used black powder firearm that actually was used in a war in the 1800’s and now hangs over the fireplace. Is that a weapon? So what if someone buys a 4” barrel 38/357 and shoots paper targets and never points it at a person their entire life? Is that a weapon? Does the barrel being longer not automatically make it a weapon? \*That depends on why \* _If he’s shooting purely for fun, it’s a sporting arm_ _If he’s practicing in order to defend his loved ones, it’s a weapon_ I believe what the object/tool is currently _being used or maintained or purchased for_ determines if it is a weapon or not. _Fixed it for you!_ What about a well used black powder firearm that actually was used in a war in the 1800’s and now hangs over the fireplace. Is that a weapon? _Then It’s a relic unless it is kept loaded, then it’s a weapon, and the owner doesn’t care if it gets stolen_ ---
**Author:** ![Nathan57](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/nathan57/32/37700_2.png) [@Nathan57](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Nathan57)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 5:36pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/weapons/82629/55 "2022-06-07T17:36:19Z")
So, what you do with the firearm redefines what it is? Does that mean that when a pistol brace is shouldered…is it now a short barrel rifle? What about when a handgun is fired using two hands…does that mean it is now a rifle? I find it very strange this discussion is using things like the color of the weapon or how it is used to define what it is. ---
**Author:** ![Barry54](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/barry54/32/55441_2.png) [@Barry54](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Barry54)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 5:39pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/weapons/82629/56 "2022-06-07T17:39:35Z")
> [@John292](#): > > I believe what the object/tool is currently _being used or maintained or purchased for_ determines if it is a weapon or not. _Fixed it for you_ Making progress! So could we then argue that the black rifle platform with a barrel over 20” in length or has a bull barrel is a target or sporting rifle and should not be grouped in with the “bayonet lug and pistol grip” crowd? ---
**Author:** ![Barry54](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/barry54/32/55441_2.png) [@Barry54](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Barry54)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 5:46pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/weapons/82629/57 "2022-06-07T17:46:06Z")
> [@Nathan57](#): > > So, what you do with the firearm redefines what it is? I’m sticking to my guns that what you are currently using the object for determines if it is called a weapon. The everyday baseball bat is a perfect example. ---
**Author:** ![Nathan57](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/nathan57/32/37700_2.png) [@Nathan57](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Nathan57)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/weapons/82629/58 "2022-06-07T17:49:07Z")
I notice you sidestepped the implications or precedent setting nature of that. Care to address the rest? ---
**Author:** ![Barry54](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/barry54/32/55441_2.png) [@Barry54](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Barry54)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 5:53pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/weapons/82629/59 "2022-06-07T17:53:09Z")
Sidestepping? I apologize. Break it down big bird to Barney style for me. Seriously. A baseball player could be holding a baseball bat hitting baseballs during a game. If that person became enraged and hit a person from the opposing team he is now holding a weapon. ---
**Author:** ![Nathan57](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/nathan57/32/37700_2.png) [@Nathan57](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Nathan57)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2022, 6:03pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/weapons/82629/60 "2022-06-07T18:03:15Z")
If using \_\_\_ firearm as a “sporting arm” redefines it as being a “sporting arm” and not a weapon, then using a firearm with a short barrel as a rifle by shouldering it redefines it as a short barrel rifle yes? And using both hand **s** on a handgun would redefine it to be a rifle (and thus an SBR) and not a hand (singular, designed to be used with one hand) gun? Or if not, why not? (underpinning all of this, I still don’t really get why people object to referring to a firearm, particularly something like a centerfire handgun, as a weapon) [Previous page](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/weapons/82629.md?page=2) [Next page](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/weapons/82629.md?page=4)