# Trump and Elon Bromance is starting to look like a messy divorce **URL:** \ **Category:** News & Current Events\ **Created:** [June 5, 2025, 8:58pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/trump-and-elon-bromance-is-starting-to-look-like-a-messy-divorce/116851 "2025-06-05T20:58:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Zavier\_D](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/zavier_d/32/13235_2.png) [@Zavier\_D](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Zavier_D)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2025, 3:22pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/trump-and-elon-bromance-is-starting-to-look-like-a-messy-divorce/116851/64 "2025-06-09T15:22:47Z")
![minions-watching-movie-popcorn-cinema-huflm1woivdvb7km](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/dd_dev/original/3X/1/e/1e5b31aa4d9a655ea8efe2a66cd57ce57baaa693.gif) I in just know a your momma or a reference to someone having a wee Willie is coming ---
**Author:** ![Larry130](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/larry130/32/38689_2.png) [@Larry130](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Larry130)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2025, 4:02pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/trump-and-elon-bromance-is-starting-to-look-like-a-messy-divorce/116851/65 "2025-06-09T16:02:39Z")
As of today it looks like the band is getting back together. ---
**Author:** ![Ron43xMOS](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/ron43xmos/32/137450_2.png) [@Ron43xMOS](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Ron43xMOS)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2025, 4:14pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/trump-and-elon-bromance-is-starting-to-look-like-a-messy-divorce/116851/66 "2025-06-09T16:14:22Z")
> [@General\_Consensus](#): > > It never gets old having to explain things to you… It is like hanging out with my 5 year old grandson… > I am impressed, if you didn’t have to look it up, that “yes” we are all primates … This is why I included a visual aid for you … I knew you would needed help… > Talking about help… You seem to always use Gorilla’s . This would suggest you are a person of small stature a homunculus if you will… Wishing to anthropomorphize yourself. Along with your aspirations to come in and invariably bully me… > You may wish to look up some resource material under “Napoleon complex”… You may have some revelations inside the mind that is you… Nobody’s asking you to explain things, yet you feel the need to inject your unique brand of wisdom. Keep your day job. (If you have one) Your psychological evaluations are about as useful as a sieve in a sinking canoe. ---
**Author:** ![CombatCanine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/combatcanine/32/115622_2.png) [@CombatCanine](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/CombatCanine)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2025, 5:46pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/trump-and-elon-bromance-is-starting-to-look-like-a-messy-divorce/116851/67 "2025-06-09T17:46:26Z")
I never said it was collapsing, I said it was imploding. That being said the most likely outcome from this civil war is with trump exiling everyone who sided with Elon and MAGA going forward alive but slightly weakened. ---
**Author:** ![CombatCanine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/combatcanine/32/115622_2.png) [@CombatCanine](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/CombatCanine)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2025, 6:33pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/trump-and-elon-bromance-is-starting-to-look-like-a-messy-divorce/116851/68 "2025-06-09T18:33:50Z")
You don’t make space unless you plan to use that space. You don’t buy a magazine unless you plan to fill it with ammo. ---
**Author:** ![ZoldFrog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/zoldfrog/32/124569_2.png) [@ZoldFrog](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/ZoldFrog)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2025, 6:43pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/trump-and-elon-bromance-is-starting-to-look-like-a-messy-divorce/116851/69 "2025-06-09T18:43:56Z")
What space? Current debt ceiling: $36.1T Current debt: $36.9T There is no space, right now. If the ceiling isn’t increased, the U.S. will be unable to borrow. If it isn’t raised, the debt will continue to rise, even if no new money is spent. That’s what happens when there’s interest. If you aren’t able to make the payments, and don’t pay, you go into default. ---
**Author:** ![CombatCanine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/combatcanine/32/115622_2.png) [@CombatCanine](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/CombatCanine)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2025, 6:45pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/trump-and-elon-bromance-is-starting-to-look-like-a-messy-divorce/116851/70 "2025-06-09T18:45:42Z")
Paying for debt by going in debt. sense this makes, yes ---
**Author:** ![ZoldFrog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/zoldfrog/32/124569_2.png) [@ZoldFrog](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/ZoldFrog)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2025, 6:50pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/trump-and-elon-bromance-is-starting-to-look-like-a-messy-divorce/116851/71 "2025-06-09T18:50:29Z")
The last time there that was no debt was 1835-1836. That’s 189 years of an increasing debt. If you think that it is possible or otherwise expect that the debt is going to go away with the flip of a switch, you’re sadly mistaken. ---
**Author:** ![CombatCanine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/combatcanine/32/115622_2.png) [@CombatCanine](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/CombatCanine)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2025, 6:56pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/trump-and-elon-bromance-is-starting-to-look-like-a-messy-divorce/116851/72 "2025-06-09T18:56:02Z")
I don’t, and sadly I think it will stay far into the future. I just find it hilarious that the same people so pissed about the democrats raising debt now trying to defend the exact same thing when their hero does it. ---
**Author:** ![ZoldFrog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/zoldfrog/32/124569_2.png) [@ZoldFrog](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/ZoldFrog)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2025, 6:58pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/trump-and-elon-bromance-is-starting-to-look-like-a-messy-divorce/116851/73 "2025-06-09T18:58:01Z")
You’re confusing raising debt with raising the debt ceiling. They are two different things. ---
**Author:** ![General\_Consensus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/general_consensus/32/129258_2.png) [@General\_Consensus](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/General_Consensus)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2025, 6:59pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/trump-and-elon-bromance-is-starting-to-look-like-a-messy-divorce/116851/74 "2025-06-09T18:59:43Z")
There is a big difference from making it go away and increasing it … It will soon be the biggest expenditure this country has surpassing SS. You can bitch all you want about SS. but it atleast helps people … The debt does nothing but sucks the future of this country down the drain. They do not need Elon!!! They need “DAVE RAMSEY”… Make the government eat rice, until they pay off their debt… If the debt was removed. We would not even talk about military spending or SS … I do understand how debt works for government when used properly to hedge against inflation.. ---
**Author:** ![ZoldFrog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/zoldfrog/32/124569_2.png) [@ZoldFrog](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/ZoldFrog)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2025, 7:03pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/trump-and-elon-bromance-is-starting-to-look-like-a-messy-divorce/116851/75 "2025-06-09T19:03:43Z")
> [@General\_Consensus](#): > > You can bitch all you want about SS When have I ever? Second, I agree that the debt needs to start trending the other direction, and not once have I ever stated differently. We are already over the limit, our credit card limit has been exceeded. We aren’t going to walk into a windfall of money, period. We do, though, have the option to raise the ceiling (the credit card limit) so that we are no longer, temporarily, over that limit. The thing about interest is that it keeps adding up. It isn’t going to stop because we’re at the limit, over actually. ---
**Author:** ![CombatCanine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/combatcanine/32/115622_2.png) [@CombatCanine](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/CombatCanine)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2025, 7:05pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/trump-and-elon-bromance-is-starting-to-look-like-a-messy-divorce/116851/76 "2025-06-09T19:05:57Z")
Once again you don’t make space unless you plan to use it. ---
**Author:** ![General\_Consensus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/general_consensus/32/129258_2.png) [@General\_Consensus](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/General_Consensus)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2025, 7:06pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/trump-and-elon-bromance-is-starting-to-look-like-a-messy-divorce/116851/77 "2025-06-09T19:06:37Z")
I am sorry. I did not mean you specifically. It was a generalization, of the people here, and what I have read in the passed. My apologies. ---
**Author:** ![ZoldFrog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/zoldfrog/32/124569_2.png) [@ZoldFrog](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/ZoldFrog)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2025, 7:06pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/trump-and-elon-bromance-is-starting-to-look-like-a-messy-divorce/116851/78 "2025-06-09T19:06:37Z")
We are ALREADY using it ---
**Author:** ![General\_Consensus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/general_consensus/32/129258_2.png) [@General\_Consensus](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/General_Consensus)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2025, 7:09pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/trump-and-elon-bromance-is-starting-to-look-like-a-messy-divorce/116851/79 "2025-06-09T19:09:53Z")
There are easy ways to reduce the debt. I have listed them many times . Like closing the loopholes on wall street. Having the rich just pay their FARE share… ---
**Author:** ![ZoldFrog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/zoldfrog/32/124569_2.png) [@ZoldFrog](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/ZoldFrog)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2025, 7:19pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/trump-and-elon-bromance-is-starting-to-look-like-a-messy-divorce/116851/80 "2025-06-09T19:19:18Z")
Hopefully this will help. Let’s say you have a credit card with a $50,000 limit. You have used every dollar of that limit. The interest on that debt is such that you are only able to make the minimum monthly payment. The problem is, you don’t earn enough income on your own and have to use some credit to pay your bills. You make a payment on the credit card and then use the credit card again because you have to until you’re able to cut spending where possible and increase your income. The interest continues to accrue. Now, your principal debt plus interest is growing faster than you can pay it. Before long, you will no longer be able to make the minimum required payment. You are now in default. You will no longer be able to borrow or spend. You have failed on your duty to satisfy the debt you acquired. Now, earlier on, before you went into default, your credit score was such that you could be approved to increase the limit on your credit card. Doing so would give you the space to keep paying on the debt while being below the new, higher, limit. You avoid the additional penalties. … Of course, you MUST use that opportunity to be more judicious with your spending, more diligent with paying down what you already owe. ---
**Author:** ![CombatCanine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/combatcanine/32/115622_2.png) [@CombatCanine](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/CombatCanine)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2025, 7:41pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/trump-and-elon-bromance-is-starting-to-look-like-a-messy-divorce/116851/81 "2025-06-09T19:41:53Z")
Yes, except the majority of it is funding tax cuts not paying of interest. ---
**Author:** ![ZoldFrog](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/zoldfrog/32/124569_2.png) [@ZoldFrog](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/ZoldFrog)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2025, 8:11pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/trump-and-elon-bromance-is-starting-to-look-like-a-messy-divorce/116851/82 "2025-06-09T20:11:56Z")
That is a false statement. Your argument, though, appears to be that tax cuts are a negative thing. This is also false. When the “take home” pay (after taxes) is increased, the economy is stimulated. More people with more money spend more. They invest more. They pay off more debt, leading to more spending. The more the economy grows, the stronger and healthier it is, the more tax revenue is generated. You maintain, or even worse increase, the current tax rates, the opposite happens. It is worth noting that there have been times where increased tax rates did generate more revenue. This, however, was short-lived as people ran out of discretionary money. The economy then shrank and the revenue dwindled. Then there’s the “tax the rich” argument. They already pay a far greater share in taxes relative to their percentage of the total population, by a lot. Second, the top 1% or top 10% are the people who own or are heavily invested in businesses. Those businesses are how the rest of the people earn their income. Taxing them more is punitive, it takes away their incentive to own, operate and invest in businesses. What happens next are layoffs, downsizing, etc. Now, fewer people are earning meaningful incomes, if any income at all. The economy shrinks, reliance on social services increases. We are now worse off than we were before the rates were increased. Increasing the _punishment_ for being successful helps no one. ---
**Author:** ![CombatCanine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/combatcanine/32/115622_2.png) [@CombatCanine](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/CombatCanine)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2025, 8:27pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/trump-and-elon-bromance-is-starting-to-look-like-a-messy-divorce/116851/83 "2025-06-09T20:27:13Z")
The bill includes _roughly $3.75 trillion in tax cuts_ that’s much more than we would be paying in interest. While I think that tax cuts can be a good thing I don’t think that they are worth increasing the deficit by an estimated 2.4 trillion. Whatever happened to Republicans careing about the national debt and being fiscaly responsible. [Previous page](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/trump-and-elon-bromance-is-starting-to-look-like-a-messy-divorce/116851.md?page=3) [Next page](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/trump-and-elon-bromance-is-starting-to-look-like-a-messy-divorce/116851.md?page=5)