I will respectfully disagree. The newer ones are not as good as the old ones. A friend that owns a gun shop, will only stock Remington shotguns if a customer orders one. He will, however, buy up or trade for any older 870’s he can.
I haven’t seen it personally or seen any such buzz from reliable sources online. Could be true but I just haven’t seen it.
I’l give it a go:
Ruger Security 9 (maybe two)
Ruger PC9 Shares ammo and magazines with the pistol.
M1A or Mini 14 in ,308
I’ve never owned a shotgun, haven’t fired on since I was a kid. Nothing against AR’s, either. If I did go with an AR, it might be the AR10 in 7.62mm, but I actually don’t know much about them from experience.
When I was looking for a shotgun to use in the worst conditions, I bought two 870 Express Super mags. I had heard stories that the new Remingtons were not as durable as the older ones. The plan was to swap between them as issues occured, well the second one is still NIB. All the things that were supposed to happen like the stock wood swelling and splitting, the ejector breaking, and 3 1/2 steel shot loads putting a ring in the barrel never occurred. Sand, mud, dirt… as long as the barrel is not obstructed the pump will work.
I have had similar good luck with Mossbergs. For me the top mounted safety on the Mossberg is more natural after decades of shooting side by sides. The trigger guard safety on the Remington is just not as natural for me.
I put tens of thousands of rounds through my original 870 without ever a problem and I’ve never seen an 870 with a broken extractor.
There could have been some for sure but I never even heard of one.
All the failures I’ve seen with 870’s had to do with the very worst kinds of abuse and neglect.
The only Moberg’s I ever handled were while in the service and even knew they had the feel of worn out junk to me.
Could that simply be to an inherent bias because I grew up with 870’s? Well, I’m still shooting my dad’s original steel butt plate 870 which is a first year of production 870.
While to some it might seem a small thing but I really hate the placement and working of the Moberg safety.
I’m with @Greg1 on the safety placement. I once asked about why even a new Mossberg feels so loose, and the answer I got made sense. It was designed like that. It is loose, so if dirt, or in the 590’s case, sand gets in it, it will still work. And the old Remingtons were great guns. Especially the old Wingmasters. The newer Remington anything(Remington, Marlin, etc) aren’t as refined. They’ve improved the last year or two, though.
My issue with the top safety is that it is way to easy to accidentally release the safety in the event you trip/fall etc or even when fighting your way through heavy foliage, or worse in the event you are fighting for it instead of fighting with it.
I agree with @WildRose 's sentiments…only three!??
If we’re going shotgun, pistol, rifle…
Shotgun - Mossberg 500 12ga…easy
Handgun is a toss-up…between Ruger American 9mm and Walther PPQ 45…I’d probably go with the Walther for stopping power. For long term if forced to decide I’d go with 9mm because I think I’d have easier access to 9mm ammo…
Rifle - I’d go with the AR-10 in 7.62 x 51/.308 because I think I’d want something a little more stout that an AR-15. And if we’re talking long term, I could use the AR-10 for hunting larger game more effectively.
AR10 .308/7.62x51 with 25rd mags
RIA VR80 semiautomatic shotgun, current setup alternates 00-buck and slugs 9 and 19rd mags
Glock 34 (since I hear good things about them plus I have 33rd mags for it)
2 more I’ll add.
My pocket sized NAA Mini revolver .22 wmr
Kel-Tec sub 2000 with glock 33rd mags
@Orpackrat you’ve reminded us all of one of the most critical essential for civil unrest and mandatory first line of defense………snickers bars!!! People just aren’t themselves when they’re hungry…
Snickers bar is a traditional everytime I buy a new gun…
Gets rid of the Hangry so I can clearly remember what kind of accessories I need to buy as well…
Why do you say pump over a semi-auto shotgun, @Greg1? (I’m learning about long guns and am looking for different opinions)
more reliable than a SA and hold more shells than his choice.
Hi @Dawn as @WildRose mentioned the reliability of a pump is the big factor. Semi-auto guns can be fussy about light loads not cycling. You can hold the action open and insert a shell by hand with a pump. With some practice a person with a pump can shoot as fast as a lot of semi-autos. The older model '97’s can slam fire and you can’t hear the individual shots when you really want to put some lead down range fast. A pump will usually be lighter than a semi-auto. If cost is a factor the pump is going to be priced less than the semi-auto as well.
In the author’s scenario, he did say that the mob “crossed your property line,” so I’m not going to need a sniper rifle, like his high-recoil .308, and I would choose my proven Mossberg over his over-priced M4 Benelli (more than three times the cost of my shotgun). I would be armed with my custom AK47, with a 30-round magazine and my very reliable 590A1 (with nearly twice the capacity of the Benelli) and its fixed M9 bayonet.
My wife and I are retired, so we would be meeting the mob together. She would have her AK-47 as well and we would also have our 9mm and .45 Glocks with high-capacity magazines.
A lot of us here think long term. If things go sideways in ways the author suggested it is likely we’re going to have to fend for ourselves for awhile, and by that I mean food, water and alternative sources of power. If things go bad that way then a rifle that pulls double duty is a welcome addition. Hence why my middle choice is an AR pistol, lets be honest though, it’s not much different than a short barrel rifle. The capacity and smaller frame make it an excellent short range option. I will let the ole “sniper rifle” pull range duty which will likely be limited to hunting.
I think my 3 go-to’s would be my AR-15 for long range, My 12 gauge Mossberg Scorpion Tactical for close range, and lastly it would be a toss up between my S&W 1911 .45 or my Glock 22 .40. I’m tossed between the two handguns because either one would be a good choice for protecting the home front, and if ■■■■ REALLY goes sideways, the ammo for both is readily available as the local PD carries both .45 and .40 so I’d just have to make contact with a buddy who controls the armory to gain access.
Instead of just telling you what I would pick and choose I decided to have a lil fun.
Jackie Brown AK47 scene
John Wick Chaper 2 gun shopping scene
Chuck Norris Shooting * CHUCK NORRIS Sniper Skills
Other than that battle field pickups, enemy arsenal supply depots, etc.
I didn’t know we could do that… now I want to change my answer to Claymores and a nice pitcher of lemonade