# The unintended consequences **URL:** \ **Category:** Self-Defense\ **Created:** [May 9, 2024, 1:42am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/the-unintended-consequences/103250 "2024-05-09T01:42:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![George17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/47e85d/32.png) [@George17](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/George17)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2024, 1:42am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/the-unintended-consequences/103250/1 "2024-05-09T01:42:58Z")
Scenario: You and your wife exit a local grocery store walking toward your car when a dozen ± Latino gang members approach you. They quickly form a semi circle around you and the gang leader informs you that they are having a party and take your groceries another member grabs your wife and tells you that they are taking her for their party girl. You shout for help and try to leave grabbing your wife. The gang quickly grabs your wife and punch you. You’re stunned but stay on your feet, one of them produces a machete and advances towards you others appear to pull weapons. You have your CCH permit and carrying. Blading away you conceal your draw and engage the one with the machete first, a good shot to his head ends his attack instantly. The next closest you put a volley of rounds in thoracic cavity dropping him. One of remaining members shoots wildly as they flee, you return fire wounding him, he would survive and be arrested the next day. The local DA declares the shooting justified and no charges filed, the one gang member that survived is charged and trial set. You and your wife’s testimony is necessary to put the perp in prison. This is my ? You killed 2 of the deadly gang members and your testimony will put the wounded member in prison. The gang has probably killed before or worse they don’t worry about consequences. How are you and family members going to survive? ---
**Author:** ![Ron43xMOS](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/ron43xmos/32/137450_2.png) [@Ron43xMOS](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Ron43xMOS)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2024, 1:56am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/the-unintended-consequences/103250/2 "2024-05-09T01:56:47Z")
I am hoping this is just a mock scenario, but In this day & age of defund the police, letting felons out early, and other crimes with no consequences, my first move would be to get the family to safety in another geographical location, ammo up, and train train, train, with self defense weapon and personal self defense. If you have money, or can borrow it, hire a body guard service temporarily? I’ll defer to any experts here. Scary scenario. ---
**Author:** ![Robert1246](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/robert1246/32/39522_2.png) [@Robert1246](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Robert1246)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2024, 2:31am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/the-unintended-consequences/103250/3 "2024-05-09T02:31:11Z")
How are they going to survive? I just sent two of their gang members to the grave and one to jail. If we keep this up, who know what I can do¿ ---
**Author:** ![deactivated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/50afbb/32.png) [@deactivated](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/deactivated)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2024, 3:02am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/the-unintended-consequences/103250/4 "2024-05-09T03:02:12Z")
I guess rephrasing it, is in the aftermath — “thinking about retaliation from the perpetrator group toward the targeted defender”. Being aware and planning. Others here have lots of suggestions. Also seek advice from the authorities, your attorney, and other crime victims. I’d be very careful with my own privacy if that happened to me. Lots of LEO’s on these pages, I’d look forward to their advice. Scary, rare, but sure have been several fictional films based on this scenario; But also many true stories. Once in my work when I met a recent mugging and gunshot wound survivor, the media interviewed me. Despite my employer’s receiving consent from our victim and our company, I didn’t feel comfortable talking about it then. Maybe I was still afraid to violate the victim’s privacy at the time, but I can see the value in their stories being told. There’s more of that on the tele nowadays. ---
**Author:** ![Karacal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/karacal/32/146742_2.png) [@Karacal](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Karacal)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2024, 4:09am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/the-unintended-consequences/103250/5 "2024-05-09T04:09:30Z")
> [@George17](#): > > One of remaining members shoots wildly as they flee, you return fire wounding him, he would survive and be arrested the next day. Be a better shot. 🤔 I would sleep better knowing I wouldn’t see any of them the next day thanks to Bidenomics. ---
**Author:** ![Mike164](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/mike164/32/52494_2.png) [@Mike164](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Mike164)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2024, 4:18am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/the-unintended-consequences/103250/6 "2024-05-09T04:18:47Z")
The closest I’ve ever come to this is sitting on a jury for a gang member that shot his OG, 5-6 times. They offered us protection from the court to our cars but that’s about it. I Did notice that their were several young, tattooed, baggy clothed people sitting in the gallery. In fact a couple of the jury members seemed to be concerned about them. We convicted the guy and nothing happened to any of us, as far as I know. It can be scary for sure, you just need to trust your training and the training of your loved ones. ---
**Author:** ![Mark697](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/278dde/32.png) [@Mark697](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Mark697)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2024, 3:14pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/the-unintended-consequences/103250/7 "2024-05-09T15:14:53Z")
Good for you. Lots of people believe that they can tilt the outcome of a legal process through intimidation, and it takes courage to stand up to such intimidation and bullies. Unfortunately, our nation is devolving into a world where insults and intimidation is _de rigueur_, with the example being set by the Orange man and the J6 crowd who claim that they were not there to harm or intimidate Congress, but merely tourists. ---
**Author:** ![Dave17](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/dave17/32/15053_2.png) [@Dave17](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Dave17)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2024, 3:24pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/the-unintended-consequences/103250/8 "2024-05-09T15:24:33Z")
> [@Mark697](#): > > the example being set by the Orange man and the J6 crowd who claim that they were not there to harm or intimidate Congress, but merely tourists. You write comedy gold, my friend. ---
**Author:** ![Mark697](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/278dde/32.png) [@Mark697](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Mark697)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2024, 3:41pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/the-unintended-consequences/103250/9 "2024-05-09T15:41:44Z")
And you write fiction ---
**Author:** ![Bruce234](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d78d45/32.png) [@Bruce234](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Bruce234)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2024, 5:14pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/the-unintended-consequences/103250/11 "2024-05-09T17:14:41Z")
WOW!!! what a come back Mark. You should write for cnn or msdnc. Your skill set would fit in there perfectly. What a dolt. ---
**Author:** ![RangeMatt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/rangematt/32/84115_2.png) [@RangeMatt](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/RangeMatt)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2024, 5:30pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/the-unintended-consequences/103250/12 "2024-05-09T17:30:18Z")
Its hilarious that he and jan 6 is your example and not the rampant rioting, burning, looting, name calling and vitriol presented by the democrats his entire presidential term ---
**Author:** ![Karacal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/karacal/32/146742_2.png) [@Karacal](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Karacal)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2024, 6:27pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/the-unintended-consequences/103250/13 "2024-05-09T18:27:44Z")
Hello and welcome @Bruce234 ---
**Author:** ![Ronald150](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/da6949/32.png) [@Ronald150](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Ronald150)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2024, 4:30am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/the-unintended-consequences/103250/14 "2024-05-10T04:30:13Z")
@Bruce234 Welcome to the community! ---
**Author:** ![Shamrock](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/shamrock/32/24612_2.png) [@Shamrock](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Shamrock)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2024, 3:23pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/the-unintended-consequences/103250/16 "2024-05-10T15:23:05Z")
I had a parking lot situation somewhat along these lines that I described in more detail in another thread. Only two guys and I wasn’t with my wife or son. I saw them coming and quickly went back into the store before they could get close enough to threaten me or take my stuff. If I saw a dozen or so gang members standing nearby as I walked out the store I would be instantly turning us around and heading back in. If the incident occurred somewhat as written I probably wouldn’t be too worried since in order to run into a dozen hardened gang members accosting people in parking lots I would have to be several hours from my home. But if I lived and frequented the area I would be fairly concerned. It is hard to stop someone who wants you dead from succeeding if they are willing to wait for a good opportunity and aren’t overly concerned about getting caught. Plus my family would be at risk whenever I am at work or otherwise not with them. I would definitely tell my neighbors to keep a watch out for strange vehicles. Gang members would stick out like neon lights in my rural little town. ---
**Author:** ![Mike164](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/mike164/32/52494_2.png) [@Mike164](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Mike164)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2024, 4:01pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/the-unintended-consequences/103250/17 "2024-05-10T16:01:40Z")
> [@Shamrock](#): > > Gang members would stick out like neon lights in my rural little town. Around here we are seeing gang bangers acting and dressing like a typical Gen Zer. You can’t really tell they are gang bangers by sight. BUT, if you use good situational awareness and watch what they are doing, you can see gang signs and subtle behaviors that give them away. Like a couple of them staying back from the group, the others following one guy around… ---
**Author:** ![Mike164](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/mike164/32/52494_2.png) [@Mike164](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Mike164)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2024, 6:29pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/the-unintended-consequences/103250/19 "2024-05-10T18:29:57Z")
Did it last week. Dropped R off at the airport, on the way out a guy wandering around the parking lot saw me and made a Bee Line straight at me. “STAY BACK BROTHER!!!, What’s Up?”. Like you said, he walked away without saying a word. ---
**Author:** ![Karacal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/karacal/32/146742_2.png) [@Karacal](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Karacal)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2024, 6:34pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/the-unintended-consequences/103250/20 "2024-05-10T18:34:44Z")
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**Author:** ![RUGER9](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/ruger9/32/14197_2.png) [@RUGER9](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/RUGER9)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2024, 6:35pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/the-unintended-consequences/103250/21 "2024-05-10T18:35:29Z")
Back in 1980, I was stationed in Norfolk, Va. I had a rental house in an area called Ghent. It was a mixed neighborhood with working class families. I didn’t own a pistol but I had a 12ga Remington Ranger for bird hunting & my 270 for deer. I kept the 12ga loaded fir home defense. I had a wall unit A/C in the msin room & another in the BR. I heard noise from the living room that was obviously someone breaking in. He had removed the A/C unit & ha climbed into the house. The lights were out but enough street light was coming into to house for me to see that a large male was just finishing stepping into the living room. I got mt shotgun stepped around the corner & simply shot the man. Long story short, went to court. Justifiable Homicide. His brothers had made threats loud & publicly that they would kill my wife &I… The Navy had immediately moved me onto base housing. After the trial, mu CO requested that I be assigned duty on the West coast. The whole thing was a nightmare. I was pretty young, didn’t know much about gun laws. It shook me up much worse than I ever imagined it would. The moral of the story is that the ■■■■ doesn’t end after a shooting. Every shooting is different but if you’re involved & your family is in danger, it takes a toll. ---
**Author:** ![Shamrock](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/shamrock/32/24612_2.png) [@Shamrock](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Shamrock)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2024, 7:44pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/the-unintended-consequences/103250/22 "2024-05-10T19:44:48Z")
> [@Mike164](#): > > Around here we are seeing gang bangers acting and dressing like a typical Gen Zer. A typical Gen Zer would stand out pretty brightly in this little town as well;) It’s not the kind of place where teenagers and young adults hang out on the street corners or drive around randomly. People who don’t live here usually get noticed fairly quickly and watched very carefully. ---
**Author:** ![deactivated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/50afbb/32.png) [@deactivated](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/deactivated)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2024, 1:08am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/the-unintended-consequences/103250/23 "2024-05-11T01:08:09Z")
I’m sure your being a good person, that love rallied around you and helped your family get secure. Also says to me, I need my family and friends if I ever experience crises. [Next page](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/the-unintended-consequences/103250.md?page=2)