# The Aftermath: Predators Run in Packs **URL:** \ **Category:** True Stories\ **Created:** [March 22, 2024, 2:00pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/the-aftermath-predators-run-in-packs/101261 "2024-03-22T14:00:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![BeanCounter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/beancounter/32/173526_2.png) [@BeanCounter](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/BeanCounter)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2024, 4:25pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/the-aftermath-predators-run-in-packs/101261/21 "2024-03-23T16:25:52Z")
> [@Shamrock](#): > > Based on videos I have seen, if there are LEOs on the other side of the door when you answer with one of your hands out of sight LE is a different story. Knowing who’s at the door (through Ring doorbell camera) defines my approach. ---
**Author:** ![Zavier\_D](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/zavier_d/32/13235_2.png) [@Zavier\_D](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Zavier_D)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2024, 4:54pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/the-aftermath-predators-run-in-packs/101261/22 "2024-03-23T16:54:20Z")
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**Author:** ![Shamrock](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/shamrock/32/24612_2.png) [@Shamrock](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Shamrock)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2024, 5:20pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/the-aftermath-predators-run-in-packs/101261/23 "2024-03-23T17:20:06Z")
> [@BeanCounter](#): > > Knowing who’s at the door (through Ring doorbell camera) defines my approach. Video doorbells are a very good idea. Unfortunately nowadays you can’t be entirely certain that people dressed like LEOs are LEOs. Hopefully the real LEOs will understand this and be a little patient while I call to confirm. ---
**Author:** ![Zavier\_D](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/zavier_d/32/13235_2.png) [@Zavier\_D](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Zavier_D)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2024, 5:57pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/the-aftermath-predators-run-in-packs/101261/24 "2024-03-23T17:57:09Z")
> [@Shamrock](#): > > Hopefully the real LEOs will understand this and be a little patient while I call to confirm. I’ve done that twice. ---
**Author:** ![BeanCounter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/beancounter/32/173526_2.png) [@BeanCounter](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/BeanCounter)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2024, 7:09pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/the-aftermath-predators-run-in-packs/101261/25 "2024-03-23T19:09:29Z")
> [@Shamrock](#): > > call to confirm Correct. That’s something I learned only within the last five years with impersonators in the news. Also, not a home burglar but one who makes traffic stops to rob unsuspecting motorists. It helps that even at nights street is well lit by upgraded city lights so I could see what type of car(s) is parked in front of the house. ---
**Author:** ![Don102](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/don102/32/165939_2.png) [@Don102](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Don102)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2024, 3:53pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/the-aftermath-predators-run-in-packs/101261/26 "2024-03-24T15:53:54Z")
My ‘Caution’ to my Sister is if there is ‘Pounding’ on the door! (at any hour) to NOT open the steel front door nor the Security outer door. The kitchen window isn’t sound proof. A simple ‘Who is it, what do you want?’ question is to be asked. If she doesn’t like the answer she say’s ‘I am armed !’ Go away’ If they say they are the Man (and she see’s uniforms in the camera’s) She say’s ‘You are being recorded’ then she is to say ‘State your reasons for disturbing us’? 100% of the time at night I am home now anyway so this is probably a moot point and I would handle the NEGOTIATIONS but JIC she is alone she knows what to do. Basically she will NOT open the doors or display a weapon. If she feels hinky she will call the Substation and verify the Intruders. The MURDER Joseph you referred to happened in my neck of the Mesa (Northern NM) The Sherriff’s in my area usually do the ‘visiting’. And they are generally Nice and skilled. Unfortunately, we are in a slice of land where 'Overlaps of three Police Stasi operate: The Troopers, APD and the Sherriff’s. The Sherriff’s are least likely to ‘Intrude’ if they don’t like our responses. And probably not in the middle of the night, we haven’t drawn attention to ourselves (that can be proven 🤪) And if they did any checking at all will see a CCW and Level3 on record. That’s ‘The Plan’ anyway, but as people say your plans go right out the window with the first punch from Mike Tyson! (and your teeth!) 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Joseph488](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/joseph488/32/145925_2.png) [@Joseph488](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Joseph488)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2024, 3:59pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/the-aftermath-predators-run-in-packs/101261/27 "2024-03-24T15:59:58Z")
Totally agree with all your points Don. My wife does the same as your sister (call through the window). If they can’t hear her, we have a single hung, hurricane glass window that we’ve installed stop bars in allowing it to only open about 2". No one could get it more open from outside without breaking the glass, and that would take several minutes with a heavy hammer, which would be a very bad idea on their part… ---
**Author:** ![Don102](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/don102/32/165939_2.png) [@Don102](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Don102)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2024, 4:04pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/the-aftermath-predators-run-in-packs/101261/28 "2024-03-24T16:04:58Z")
Yes Sir, Breaking Glass in ANY part of the House is ‘Weapon’s FREE!’ (skulking around the back of the house also proves your bad intentions) Badge or no Badge. BAD BADGES EXIST! You made a BAD choice. there is ZERO reason for anybody to wish to gain entry ,HOME INVADE , do us harm except BAD INTEL and BAD Guy’s! BANG! BANG! OH MY BAD! I almost forgot: Because of the Farmington, NM Murder-by-Cop We will shout ’ What friggin’ address are you looking for!’ The house is CLEARLY ‘marked’ (3) ways, showing who we are. ---
**Author:** ![Joseph488](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/joseph488/32/145925_2.png) [@Joseph488](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Joseph488)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2024, 4:36pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/the-aftermath-predators-run-in-packs/101261/29 "2024-03-24T16:36:01Z")
Very good idea I had not thought of, asking to verify the address! 👍 👍 ---
**Author:** ![Don102](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/don102/32/165939_2.png) [@Don102](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Don102)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2024, 4:48pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/the-aftermath-predators-run-in-packs/101261/30 "2024-03-24T16:48:24Z")
Right? Me either…Neither? Whatever? If you can take something from a Tragedy like this Poor soul Dying for nothing, At least people can learn something from it. My FRONT DOOR CAM IS less than 5’ where somebody stands. You can see a face clearly. If I ask that question and there is confusion and a question appears they are thinking maybe I should double check Maybe they are not bad guys, they just have sh^^ty Intel. If I see them ‘Harden’ it will go badly for them. I’m not a tough guy. But I am sharp. I WILL defend my Castle. If THEY are stupid and think I AM STUPID, they see the Cameras, the Floods, the Front door area narrows so (2) guys can’t stand shoulder to shoulder It’s a KILL BOX. If ‘I’ saw that I’d say ‘wait a minute here people’ It’s so narrow moving furniture is a bear. ---
**Author:** ![OldDude49](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/olddude49/32/40194_2.png) [@OldDude49](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/OldDude49)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 11:04am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/the-aftermath-predators-run-in-packs/101261/31 "2024-03-25T11:04:22Z")
these can be beneficial??? [https://www.amazon.com/Defender-Security-11026-Reinforcement-Construction/dp/B00FB29LZW/ref=sr\_1\_5\_pp?crid=C15JRBTJQ3CZ&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.tvKE3pIAIfvfwYiogEdxj\_1f-g1fpGRfVPOO7Ra73FBQu60l7aasLYXT1VvSMpCTVzWsP-PvGHWi2cCcmWWvzWth0QTplGUpdCSllQONGeK1ZXU2r1hr4nWcRJz3J6BtzADl3Na6OPE50mTag77O6BON1xwry07HZkuptxKKPywT4e\_4R1edNY7pWrvgwyEl\_EnPxZOxvGoRGgAwgrkfev7vW5Zd\_RVtDWXtCIhxwYHotJf2SGkdVOJfJiuhjQd33keSOk189LZU-CiEGJ72FdxkzDKuz7XlH3vL7nfYKeI.FSrN1nqmlLotwNvM8BpB0NYp0YqlQb\_Ukr2wuCbTVYA&dib\_tag=se&keywords=door+reinforcement&qid=1711364546&sprefix=door+reinforcement%2Caps%2C171&sr=8-5](https://www.amazon.com/Defender-Security-11026-Reinforcement-Construction/dp/B00FB29LZW/ref=sr_1_5_pp?crid=C15JRBTJQ3CZ&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.tvKE3pIAIfvfwYiogEdxj_1f-g1fpGRfVPOO7Ra73FBQu60l7aasLYXT1VvSMpCTVzWsP-PvGHWi2cCcmWWvzWth0QTplGUpdCSllQONGeK1ZXU2r1hr4nWcRJz3J6BtzADl3Na6OPE50mTag77O6BON1xwry07HZkuptxKKPywT4e_4R1edNY7pWrvgwyEl_EnPxZOxvGoRGgAwgrkfev7vW5Zd_RVtDWXtCIhxwYHotJf2SGkdVOJfJiuhjQd33keSOk189LZU-CiEGJ72FdxkzDKuz7XlH3vL7nfYKeI.FSrN1nqmlLotwNvM8BpB0NYp0YqlQb_Ukr2wuCbTVYA&dib_tag=se&keywords=door+reinforcement&qid=1711364546&sprefix=door+reinforcement%2Caps%2C171&sr=8-5) [https://www.amazon.com/Door-Armor-Mini-Security-Reinforcement/dp/B00LSWF6AS/ref=sr\_1\_60?crid=C15JRBTJQ3CZ&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.tvKE3pIAIfvfwYiogEdxj\_1f-g1fpGRfVPOO7Ra73FBQu60l7aasLYXT1VvSMpCTVzWsP-PvGHWi2cCcmWWvzWth0QTplGUpdCSllQONGeK1ZXU2r1hr4nWcRJz3J6BtzADl3Na6OPE50mTag77O6BON1xwry07HZkuptxKKPywT4e\_4R1edNY7pWrvgwyEl\_EnPxZOxvGoRGgAwgrkfev7vW5Zd\_RVtDWXtCIhxwYHotJf2SGkdVOJfJiuhjQd33keSOk189LZU-CiEGJ72FdxkzDKuz7XlH3vL7nfYKeI.FSrN1nqmlLotwNvM8BpB0NYp0YqlQb\_Ukr2wuCbTVYA&dib\_tag=se&keywords=door+reinforcement&qid=1711364546&sprefix=door+reinforcement%2Caps%2C171&sr=8-60](https://www.amazon.com/Door-Armor-Mini-Security-Reinforcement/dp/B00LSWF6AS/ref=sr_1_60?crid=C15JRBTJQ3CZ&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.tvKE3pIAIfvfwYiogEdxj_1f-g1fpGRfVPOO7Ra73FBQu60l7aasLYXT1VvSMpCTVzWsP-PvGHWi2cCcmWWvzWth0QTplGUpdCSllQONGeK1ZXU2r1hr4nWcRJz3J6BtzADl3Na6OPE50mTag77O6BON1xwry07HZkuptxKKPywT4e_4R1edNY7pWrvgwyEl_EnPxZOxvGoRGgAwgrkfev7vW5Zd_RVtDWXtCIhxwYHotJf2SGkdVOJfJiuhjQd33keSOk189LZU-CiEGJ72FdxkzDKuz7XlH3vL7nfYKeI.FSrN1nqmlLotwNvM8BpB0NYp0YqlQb_Ukr2wuCbTVYA&dib_tag=se&keywords=door+reinforcement&qid=1711364546&sprefix=door+reinforcement%2Caps%2C171&sr=8-60) ---
**Author:** ![Jerzees](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/jerzees/32/111382_2.png) [@Jerzees](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Jerzees)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 12:38pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/the-aftermath-predators-run-in-packs/101261/32 "2024-03-25T12:38:03Z")
Could be… but any metal bars installed on weak frame without good sturdy support do nothing. Nobody is able to decide if those will be beneficial without knowing and seeing your existing door and frame installation. ---
**Author:** ![Eugene49](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/eugene49/32/89323_2.png) [@Eugene49](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Eugene49)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 12:50pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/the-aftermath-predators-run-in-packs/101261/33 "2024-03-25T12:50:30Z")
> [@Don102](#): > > We will shout ’ What friggin’ address are you looking for!’ And **who** are you looking for ---
**Author:** ![Don102](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/don102/32/165939_2.png) [@Don102](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Don102)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 1:52pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/the-aftermath-predators-run-in-packs/101261/34 "2024-03-25T13:52:57Z")
Ding! Ding! Ding! ---
**Author:** ![Anthony370](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/anthony370/32/110955_2.png) [@Anthony370](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Anthony370)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 2:06pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/the-aftermath-predators-run-in-packs/101261/35 "2024-03-25T14:06:44Z")
Step 1 of probably 100 ways to begin to fortify a living space [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/dd_dev/original/3X/8/3/83c95477da53726c832d175e5acb536050cccea7.jpeg "How to better secure doors") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jqtyx31Ono4) ---
**Author:** ![Don102](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/don102/32/165939_2.png) [@Don102](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Don102)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 2:23pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/the-aftermath-predators-run-in-packs/101261/36 "2024-03-25T14:23:55Z")
After all this talk of predator’s running in Packs, Fortifications and Home defense I am seriously consideration the ‘Continental Hotel’ Defense system. WHEN they are at the gates I would like to rig up the ‘GO GREEN’ system where as the lights shut off and that strobing GREEN NEON come’s on!. **Surely** some Stasi’s have seen John Wick and the effect it had on the attackers. It doesn’t do anything but psychologically it has to make an Invader say Ruh Roe! and besides it would be cooler than anything to freak out unwanted Door bell ringers! Happy Monday Gunner’s ‘Prepare to defend yourselves!’ Sgt. Plumbly in ‘WE WERE SOLDIERS’ and don’t call me Surely! 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Larry130](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/larry130/32/38689_2.png) [@Larry130](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Larry130)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 3:12pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/the-aftermath-predators-run-in-packs/101261/37 "2024-03-25T15:12:14Z")
Not only the flash plate, but all of the hinges and latches! ---
**Author:** ![Will\_B](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/will_b/32/102791_2.png) [@Will\_B](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Will_B)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 3:18pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/the-aftermath-predators-run-in-packs/101261/38 "2024-03-25T15:18:01Z")
> [@Don102](#): > > and don’t call me Surly! 🤣 But, Don,… you ARE surly! Maybe not Shirley…. Definitely “Surly”!!! > **[Definition of SURLY](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/surly)** > > menacing or threatening in appearance; arrogant, imperious; irritably sullen and churlish in mood or manner : crabbed… See the full definition ---
**Author:** ![Don102](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/don102/32/165939_2.png) [@Don102](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Don102)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 3:20pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/the-aftermath-predators-run-in-packs/101261/39 "2024-03-25T15:20:14Z")
Will, ‘I ACCEPT THAT!’ (There fixed it!) ---
**Author:** ![Will\_B](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/will_b/32/102791_2.png) [@Will\_B](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Will_B)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 3:23pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/the-aftermath-predators-run-in-packs/101261/40 "2024-03-25T15:23:03Z")
Apparently a couple hundred years ago that would be royalty! I accept that! You and all your brothers and sisters at arms deserve it! [Previous page](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/the-aftermath-predators-run-in-packs/101261.md?page=1) [Next page](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/the-aftermath-predators-run-in-packs/101261.md?page=3)