These events make for good discussion and training topics. And this perspective of an incident keeps you grounded in what one might do, rather than pick apart what someone else thought they had to do, IMHO.
its either myself or them i would have done the same thing
First off, I’ve done pizza delivery in the past as a 2nd job for extra income. In the lovely anti gun state of CA might I add. In my policies and procedures it specifically stated that even if I had a license to carry, I could not and it would be a immediate termination. For me, life is more precious than a job, and the whole point of concealing is, they don’t know you have it! I am a lucky one that does legally carry in CA. Hence, why I’m an elite member of USCCA. Now, the story only says they brandished weapons, not that they drew on the driver. That could simply mean they pulled up shirts to flash weapons in an attempt to intimidate to rob, maybe hoping he’d just give up the pizza and the $15 in change that we carry! Key point, only $15 is carried for change!! They weren’t gonna get rich, just being thuggish for the sake of being thugs! He saw the advantage, whatever it was, the story doesn’t allow us to armchair quarterback his decision. We simply don’t have all the facts, but the most important fact is all we need. He laid out their asses and saved his own!
I don’t blame you. You’re probably entitled to two free pizza’s because they were cold and dirty when you got them. If I get some training and improve the speed of my draw, next time you will just get them dirty.
Love the great conversation going on here!
If we are ever in imminent danger of death or grave bodily harm, we are shooting to stop the threat. While we realize our shots may kill, our goal is ALWAYS to stop the thread.
Please be very careful about what you say and post online as it can be used against you in court. Saying “I’d be sure to kill them or wouldn’t leave them alive” will be taken by a prosecutor as we were looking for someone to kill, not trying to defend our lives.
@Rich7 had a great idea as well- depending on the situation, throw the pizza at them and run! You might be able to get away or to a more tactically advantageous position… if that’s an option.
Keep up the great conversations and be sure to check out the rest of the Community!
Thanks for the Frist Line as the driver did the right things for his situation it definitely shows his training and and situation awareness came in to play and brought him out a winner
Eaten the pizza or give it to the police…
In the end, the bad guy is 1) bluffing harm or 2) intent on harming you. If it’s a bluff, you have a chance drawing down the barrel of another gun. There will probably be hesitation from the bad guy.
If it’s the latter, hope your life insurance covers lead poisoning.
That’s obviously a black and white picture of the attackers motivations. We all know theres grey. I think about what kind of tells I’d look for when trying to do that math. The “gift of fear” is a good book on that. Unfortunately for me, I think in that 1.37 seconds of time I’ll have to do the math, I’ll spend 1.25 of those seconds trying not to poop myself.
Throwing the pizza box at them seems to be the best idea to divert their attention.
To me, that is the best technique, to have the proper time to draw your own weapon,
which must be fired quite rapidly in succession toward both perpetrators.
Better than that though, is that some pizza businesses have the policy of " somewhat
making it be known" that their drivers do not carry any change.
If this was a policy that they all widely did and advertised, this situation would essentially
never have an opportunity to occur.
Not to change the subject but I couldn’t resist asking if the Concealed Carry Expo will be in Kansas?..lolprestrump
Asked Donald Trump after the Superbowl
No, it’s in MO.
Everyone reacts to danger a little different than what they really think they would do… If it were me and I thought they were going to shoot me I think I would take the chance and shoot first. I may not have another chance. I carry primarily because I refuse to be the HELPLESS subject of a crime. I am bold and I am confident; I like to think I am also smart and would make the correct choice.
I think you would have to be there to know what you would do.
After reading the short senario, I would have to respond, depends in your state what it is interpreted as excessive force. Though you may say you are in eminent danger, the best thing would to just give them the money. Though the outcome came out in the pizza guys favor, you never just want to branish your weapon and fire. The intent according to the story was to rob,not kill the pizza guy. In the heat of the moment a choice was made and no matter who is wrong or right, a life was lost. This is the difficult part of being a gun owner or not is the commitment of taking a life. In this case, I would say the pizza guy was correct in protecting himself if he was eminent danger based on how the story was told.
Jerome…be careful in your responses! Peppered throughout your response is “lol” and at bad locations. Prosecuting attorneys may use these comments if you are in court for using your EDC. They will reflect that you find it humorous that an aggressor was shot by a CCW carrier.
Sad how that works, and I hear ya about saying lol or the other. I have always used humor because of the public eye and everyone so serious today. So you think I should just drop USCCA cause now I am on record as the bad guy no matter what I do or say. Saddens me when the man with 10 felons has more rights then the average joe, if not more. Would take it back if could and try to not respond back to a world that is this uptight. Was a trick question to begin with as anyone with common sense, and what I have been taught, is no situation is ever the same and in this situation everyone will act differently. Thanks Martin. Lmk if I am doomed for life. To be honest I probably have to get shot before ever pulled my weapon. Taking life, whether (deserve or not) is bad all the way around. Thanks again,
Do we do nothing in the face of crime and throw up our hands and shrug and say, “We’ve been beaten”?
This driver somehow - and perhaps simply by knowing how quickly to draw and drawing quickly - was able to defend himself. A churchgoer in my state was recently able to stop a shooter. And, the FBI in a PDF - file:///C:/Users/John/Desktop/(U)_ActiveShooter021317_17B_WEB%20(3).PDF - states that many instances of violence have been stopped:
“The study identified 21 (13.1%) of 160 incidents where unarmed citizens made the selfless and deeply personal choices to face the danger of an active shooter. In those instances, the citizens safely and successfully disrupted the shootings. In 11 of those 21 incidents, unarmed principals, teachers, other school staff and students confronted the shooters to end the threat. In 10 incidents, citizens, working or shopping when the shootings began, successfully restrained shooters until police could arrive. And in 6 other incidents, armed off-duty police officers, citizens, and security guards risked their lives to successfully end the threat. These actions likely saved the lives of students and others present.”
Confronting crime is possible.
And, most important is forgiving and educating persons inclined to criminal behavior and pointing them to their Lord, Jesus Christ.
ok, I missed the boat here. how do I view the attorney’s response? Am I too late to do so?
You should have gotten our new First Line email last week, @Richard32. If not, let me know and I’ll get it over to you.