# Should there be a mental eval law? **URL:** \ **Category:** Legal & Second Amendment\ **Created:** [May 30, 2022, 4:31pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/should-there-be-a-mental-eval-law/82387 "2022-05-30T16:31:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![William191](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/william191/32/49375_2.png) [@William191](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/William191)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2022, 11:50pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/should-there-be-a-mental-eval-law/82387/21 "2022-05-30T23:50:14Z")
> [@Nathan57](#): > > is not to control people and restrict or remove their Liberties in the name of safety. Tell that to the judge when you shout fire in a pact theatre or bomb on an airplane. ---
**Author:** ![Nathan57](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/nathan57/32/37700_2.png) [@Nathan57](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Nathan57)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2022, 11:54pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/should-there-be-a-mental-eval-law/82387/22 "2022-05-30T23:54:08Z")
Does this mean you no longer support prior restraint? Or are you going to explain how, in order to be similar to the gun control laws you are supporting, we should have to undergo background checks and social media post surveillance before entering a theater to see if we are fit to do so, or if we are an increased risk for saying the wrong thing and thus cannot be allowed entry? Or, are you going to propose mandatory muzzles in theaters if children are present so that we cannot yell fire? ---
**Author:** ![Nathan57](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/nathan57/32/37700_2.png) [@Nathan57](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Nathan57)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2022, 11:55pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/should-there-be-a-mental-eval-law/82387/23 "2022-05-30T23:55:35Z")
> [@William191](#): > > The answer to what happened in Uvalde isn’t going to be a big government action. Its going to be some laws with give and take by both sides. We have heard about the controls and restrictions on peaceable gun owners that you want to impose. Can we now hear about the other side of this give and take? What do you see going the opposite direction to make this a ‘give and take compromise’? Re-opening of the machine gun registry? Deregulation of silencers? Federal mandate that all states must allow concealed carry for anybody legally able to possess a gun aka nationwide Constitutional carry? ---
**Author:** ![William191](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/william191/32/49375_2.png) [@William191](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/William191)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2022, 11:59pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/should-there-be-a-mental-eval-law/82387/24 "2022-05-30T23:59:23Z")
All I’m trying to say is we, the 2A community, need to be part of the solution. Standing a and saying “HELL NO” isn’t the answer. I’m not smart enough to be able to come up with an answer. At the same time if we don’t become part of the answer we will lose our rights or start another civil war. I don’t want to see either happen. ---
**Author:** ![Nathan57](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/nathan57/32/37700_2.png) [@Nathan57](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Nathan57)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2022, 12:01am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/should-there-be-a-mental-eval-law/82387/25 "2022-05-31T00:01:14Z")
Yes, it is an answer. We will lose our rights because people who say they are part of the 2A community are spending their time thinking of ways to infringe yet more on the 2A. ---
**Author:** ![Nathan57](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/nathan57/32/37700_2.png) [@Nathan57](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Nathan57)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2022, 12:03am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/should-there-be-a-mental-eval-law/82387/26 "2022-05-31T00:03:29Z")
Do you at least recognize the the “tell it to a judge after yelling fire in a crowded theater” is a gun control equivalent to “tell it to a judge after firing your gun wildly into the air in a crowded theater”? ---
**Author:** ![William191](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/william191/32/49375_2.png) [@William191](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/William191)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2022, 12:04am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/should-there-be-a-mental-eval-law/82387/27 "2022-05-31T00:04:31Z")
We must agree to disagree then. As I said before: a good compromise is one in which neither side walks away happy. ---
**Author:** ![Nathan57](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/nathan57/32/37700_2.png) [@Nathan57](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Nathan57)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2022, 12:08am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/should-there-be-a-mental-eval-law/82387/28 "2022-05-31T00:08:00Z")
You have not suggested a compromise. You paid lip service to the phrase “give and take”, but you have only come up with take (taking of Rights and Liberties). Nothing whatsoever in the other direciton. “Compromise” is _not_ “I want to take all of your Rights, you want to keep all of your Rights, so we’ll only take a portion for now, and come back for the rest later” That is not compromise. ---
**Author:** ![William191](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/william191/32/49375_2.png) [@William191](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/William191)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2022, 12:14am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/should-there-be-a-mental-eval-law/82387/29 "2022-05-31T00:14:15Z")
How do you think laws are written and get passed? Opposing sides get together and hash out the details. One side has a must have list and so does the other. With each side maneuvering to gat as many “must have” as they can. That is what’s broken right now in our government and society. Everyone thinks it has to be my or the highway. ---
**Author:** ![Nathan57](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/nathan57/32/37700_2.png) [@Nathan57](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Nathan57)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2022, 12:17am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/should-there-be-a-mental-eval-law/82387/30 "2022-05-31T00:17:11Z")
We have too many laws in general, and too many gun control laws, we don’t need more. Passing more gun control laws and “we want all of your Rights, so let’s compromise and only take some” _is not compromise._ But, you say you speak for the 2A community. What “must have” GET do you propose any new legislation must have? What are “we” going to gain? I gave three suggestions above and you ignored them, do you not like those or do you have better things in mind? What do you think “our” must have gets should be? ---
**Author:** ![William191](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/william191/32/49375_2.png) [@William191](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/William191)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2022, 12:18am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/should-there-be-a-mental-eval-law/82387/31 "2022-05-31T00:18:37Z")
> [@Nathan57](#): > > you have only come up with take That’s because I’m not on the crazy left. Since you know so much, how about posting ideas to make the situation better than just saying hell no! It’s always easier to criticize than go do the work needed. ---
**Author:** ![William191](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/william191/32/49375_2.png) [@William191](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/William191)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2022, 12:20am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/should-there-be-a-mental-eval-law/82387/32 "2022-05-31T00:20:57Z")
> [@Nathan57](#): > > We have too many laws in general, and too many gun control laws, we don’t need more That would be one of my must have items. Enforce the f’cking laws already on the books. ---
**Author:** ![Nathan57](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/nathan57/32/37700_2.png) [@Nathan57](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Nathan57)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2022, 12:22am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/should-there-be-a-mental-eval-law/82387/33 "2022-05-31T00:22:02Z")
I have posted many ideas, including in this thread. You have ignored them or denied reality. 1. Have teachers, faculty, and staff follow their own security protocols 2. Have law enforcement react appropriately as expected and as trained. 3. STOP MAKING SCHOOLS DISARMED CRIMINAL EMPOWERMENT ZONES WHERE IT IS KNOWN TO THE WORLD THAT THE PSYCHO WILL FACE NO ARMED OPPOSITION 4. Take some of the tens of billions being sent to other nations spend it here at home on increased school security, physical improvements to the school, funded training for teachers/faculty/staff who volunteer for it, and increased LE presence in and around schools (seriously we pay for off duty cops in uniform in number at movie theaters but it’s too much to do this for schools? Give me a break) 5. Read this to educate yourself some more on all of the things, firearm and not, that are factors here and that can be improved. > **[Countering the Mass Shooter Threat - USCCA Store](https://store.usconcealedcarry.com/education/books/countering-the-mass-shooter-threat-ecb0720002/)** > > Michael Martin analyzes data gathered from 48 mass shootings that have occurred since Columbine. ---
**Author:** ![Nathan57](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/nathan57/32/37700_2.png) [@Nathan57](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Nathan57)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2022, 12:23am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/should-there-be-a-mental-eval-law/82387/34 "2022-05-31T00:23:24Z")
> [@William191](#): > > That would be one of my must have items. Enforce the f’cking laws already on the books. Any laws on the books in particular you really feel need to be enforced? Like, the father in state A who gives a gun to his daughter in state B that is now a federal felon, despite both of them being legally eligible to possess said firearm? Is that an example of a law on the books that you feel very strongly needs to be enforced? Because I’d start with eliminating some of the laws already on the books before even considering entertaining the idea of new ones ---
**Author:** ![William191](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/william191/32/49375_2.png) [@William191](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/William191)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2022, 12:24am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/should-there-be-a-mental-eval-law/82387/35 "2022-05-31T00:24:16Z")
I haven’t denied any of those. But at the same time what are you willing to allow so we can get those? Another school shooting? ---
**Author:** ![Nathan57](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/nathan57/32/37700_2.png) [@Nathan57](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Nathan57)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2022, 12:24am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/should-there-be-a-mental-eval-law/82387/36 "2022-05-31T00:24:38Z")
> [@William191](#): > > haven’t denied any of those. But at the same time what are you willing to allow so we can get those? Another school shooting? I’m willing to allow those things so we can get those things Why are you so obsessed with finding a way to force additional restrictions and removals of Rights and Liberties into this, no matter how useless it would be? Just because a psycho did something, that doesn’t mean you HAVE TO use it as an opportunity to bring about more infringements ---
**Author:** ![William191](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/william191/32/49375_2.png) [@William191](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/William191)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2022, 12:26am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/should-there-be-a-mental-eval-law/82387/37 "2022-05-31T00:26:15Z")
> [@Nathan57](#): > > Why are you so obsessed with finding a way to force additional restrictions and removals of Rights and Liberties into this, no matter how useless it would be? Why are you so obsessed to have it only your way? ---
**Author:** ![William191](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/william191/32/49375_2.png) [@William191](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/William191)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2022, 12:27am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/should-there-be-a-mental-eval-law/82387/38 "2022-05-31T00:27:50Z")
> [@Nathan57](#): > > Just because a psycho did something, that doesn’t mean you HAVE TO use it as an opportunity to bring about more infringements Like Obozo said: never let a crisis’ go to waste. ---
**Author:** ![Nathan57](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/nathan57/32/37700_2.png) [@Nathan57](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Nathan57)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2022, 12:28am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/should-there-be-a-mental-eval-law/82387/39 "2022-05-31T00:28:20Z")
> [@William191](#): > > Why are you so obsessed to have it only your way? I am adamant about protecting individual Rights and Liberties, _especially_ when the person supporting more control is doing it for the sake of the control, without a reasonable expectation of _any_ objective betterment. ---
**Author:** ![Shamrock](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/shamrock/32/24612_2.png) [@Shamrock](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Shamrock)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2022, 12:38am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/should-there-be-a-mental-eval-law/82387/40 "2022-05-31T00:38:42Z")
> [@William191](#): > > I’m saying we already know the signs of a nut job wanting to do harm. But we already have laws designed to prevent the mentally Ill from doing harm. They didn’t work in this case because they were not acted upon. Passing yet another law making it illegal to murder people might let the politicians say the are doing something. I might not even be against yet another law against murder if it adds in more rights and protections for lawful firearms owners who seek to keep themselves and their families from being murdered. But the anti gunners would never go for that and there will never be enough more ineffective laws for them at least until they have disarmed all the law abiding citizens. They are the ones unwilling to compromise and seek real solutions so they just keep trying to chip away one right at a time whenever the opportunity presents itself. [Previous page](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/should-there-be-a-mental-eval-law/82387.md?page=1) [Next page](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/should-there-be-a-mental-eval-law/82387.md?page=3)