Should Teachers be Armed?

@45IPAC

I couldn’t agree more.

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I for one would love to see the end of gun-free zones in America.

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I agree with you 100%. It is a lack or respect, no fear, no compassion, no parenting or poor parenting. But I feel that the numero uno reason that our country and our whole society is spiraling downward into the abyss, is because of no Jesus. If a person does not have the light or the love of Jesus in them, they have nothing. When they have nothing, they will always turn to Something to fill that void. Many times that void becomes demonically influenced and the end result is Death. The devil is behind it all. Bring the church back to accountability, throw political correctness into the gutter and and stop pampering all the younger generations. Introduce them all to the Truth, the Life and the Way in Christ Jesus and maybe, just maybe, God may have mercy on our messed up nation and give us one more chance to come back to HIM. God already opened up the door by annointing and appointing Donald J. Trump to do so, and he has been doing a WONDERFUL JOB, in spite of all the DEMONIC attacks from the enemy through the whacked out extreme left wing liberals, who are trying to take GOD completely away from us and destroy this country. I am a baby boomer. I was raised by the greatest generation. I was brought up during a time when the community helped raise our children and the church was at the head of the community. THE CHURCH needs to get back up off it’s laurels and start being a lighthouse to the community. Here’s the tricky part; try to find yourself a church like that. Fortunately, my wife and I finally have…

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Teach them the truth? Hold them accountable? Stop giving out 5th place trophies? Torturous!

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Look at it this way. We entrust teachers with the lives of our kids every day whether they are armed or not.

I’d posit that a teacher we can’t trust with a firearm doesn’t belong in the classroom to begin with.

I’m definitely fine with an extra level of screening for anyone who’s carrying in schools and additional training/certification to a higher standard than the average state’s concealed carry qualification but for a whole lot of reasons we should definitely do a better job of screening faculty and staff regardless.

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Other than avoiding gun free zones once you’ve been carrying for a while the only concern with carrying is or should be going to the bathroom under most circumstances.

The only other real consideration is keeping in mind that if you get into any sort of conflict your first duty is to prevent your weapon from ever falling into the hands of the bad guys.

Other than that carrying really should never affect where you are going, what you are doing etc.

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The problem I see with this is that you’e likely to create whole generations of thugs with skills that wouldn’t otherwise acquire them.

Faculty and staff should definitely have some empty handed skills as kids tend to be getting more violent towards them with every generation.

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@WildRose. I’m merely stating some educators are vehemently against guns and will not take it seriously if forced by the school, school district, or whatever the larger body is above them. Some people just dislike guns.

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That’s just it Robert. There are no programs for arming faculty/staff that force anyone to participate.

All of them are volunteer only.

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“Teachers are in a position of power and authority.” - Not as much as you might think Derrick. Administrators in my district will commonly take the word of a 14 year old thug over a teacher’s word. On the main topic, I don’t see why as a vetted CCW holder, I should not be allowed to carry at school.

Welcome to the Community, @Paul55!

I cannot imagine how frustrating that must be for professionals who dedicate themselves to educating people to have a disgruntled teenagers word taken over theirs. :frowning:

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Because of the special training and screening that armed school personnel receive? Training and screening that more comprehensive than the application for a concealed carry permit.
That’s why they can and you can’t. IMO

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It happens all the time. I had a personal video camera in my room for a number of years (In my state there is NO law against it - Most laws regarding ANY kind of videotaping mostly deal with how the information is DISPLAYED, not taken - but I digress) Anyway, my district later made a DISTRICT policy against it and basically threatened my job if I did not take it down, so I did. The teachers union? They supported the district’s actions. After all if I can take care of my own problems, I might stop paying union dues, right? Anyway, I have well over 30 years in and I’m retiring this year. Can’t wait. (Sorry about the rant)

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When seconds count, do you really think getting your equipment out of a locker is prudent. I suggest you study the Parkland shooting and see what happened in the first 1 min and 39 seconds. You may need to rethink your opinion.

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Do they have a background checks 360 days a year? As an Illinois ccw holder I get checked 720 times a year. 360 days a year, time 2. 1 for more FOUD and 1 for my ccw license. Illinois ccw requirements, are 1 step shy of police qualifications for firearm proficiency. And, I’ve shot with several of my officer friends. I like the odds in my favor.

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@Douglas24 True story Douglas24, in Illinois 720 times each year @45IPAC is telling you correctly and you’re reading it correctly.
Is it beneficial? Probably not but it’s just the way it goes here. Honest Abe Lincoln probably Shaking his head

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Sure…Are you gonna place a guard at every door and every window? Do you really want to make a school look similar to a maximum security prison? Or better yet, lets make all schools gun-free zones. We’ve seen how well gun-free zones have worked out in mass shootings. Better start looking at the facts, instead of emotional knee jerk solutions.

Not sure what you’re arguing about here, @John111. My most recent suggestion is to allow teachers to volunteer to be armed after deep background checks and extensive training. Their primary role would be to defend their students and classroom. Retired military and/or law enforcement would provide door security and rapid response.

No suggestion of “gun free” or emotional reaction, nor triple fencing with razor wire, no guard towers or “dead lines”; just practical ideas for increased safety in schools.

Regrads.

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If you look up the Guardian Program in Florida or the FASTER program in Colorado, you’ll learn that armed school staff go thru 130+ hrs of training in force on force and deescalation, active shooter and marksmanship, they are psychologically screened and of
course background checked for state and federal with fingerprints. They have continuing ed/training requirements and have to renew more frequently than CCW’s. These are volunteer programs for school staff, including teachers, but I think they get paid a little
more once they are qualified. Depends on the state if teachers themselves, with the extra training, can carry as that is sometimes determined by state law. Otherwise it is up to the district.

I don’t know about IL except that they require the FOID card for purchases and CCW for concealed carry. Is it still “may issue” or did it get changed to “shall issue”? You get state and Fed. fingerprint check and record checked and your permits were only good
for 3 years. How that equates to 2 background checks per day annually (720), I don’t know. You have 16 hrs. of class and a marksmanship qualification, and that’s it. Hardly enough for shooting bad guys in schools.

Utah and Arkansas also have special armed school staff training programs and maybe more states that I’m not aware of off the top of my head.

Here’s some info for you.

https://spacecoastdaily.com/2018/04/school-guardian-program-frequently-asked-questions-as-brevard-school-board-ponders-decision/

I’m sorry David38, I guess I was confused by the format of this forum. I thought I was replying to the person that didn’t want armed teachers. Please for give me.

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