# Should people off the street be given minimal firearm training and cut loose on a range? **URL:** \ **Category:** Legal & Second Amendment\ **Created:** [September 22, 2024, 2:40pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/should-people-off-the-street-be-given-minimal-firearm-training-and-cut-loose-on-a-range/107879 "2024-09-22T14:40:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Frank261](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/frank261/32/124704_2.png) [@Frank261](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Frank261)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2024, 11:58pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/should-people-off-the-street-be-given-minimal-firearm-training-and-cut-loose-on-a-range/107879/61 "2024-09-23T23:58:40Z")
Newbies, we were all there once. Being encouraged to do it right got us where we are. Of course we should weed out those Alex Baldwin types with the totally wrong attitude about safety. But, for those who listen, nurture them. We owe that to public safety. ---
**Author:** ![Don102](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/don102/32/165939_2.png) [@Don102](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Don102)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2024, 12:26am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/should-people-off-the-street-be-given-minimal-firearm-training-and-cut-loose-on-a-range/107879/62 "2024-09-24T00:26:22Z")
> [@BruceE](#): > > Me, personally, I don’t want to have any foreign nationals coming in and getting training because I just don’t trust them. Most of the students coming in from other countries have never even driven a car before and they come over here and just start driving. Lots of accidents. And they want to go shoot guns? No thanks. Is there Camel parkin’ out back? Do they know what a pair of Shoe’s look like? Do…oh forget it ---
**Author:** ![John292](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/john292/32/22214_2.png) [@John292](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/John292)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2024, 2:23am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/should-people-off-the-street-be-given-minimal-firearm-training-and-cut-loose-on-a-range/107879/63 "2024-09-24T02:23:00Z")
IIRC the OP posted regarding customers at his range renting guns and being cut loose with minimal information on the rules at the range. That’s a liability issue, not a 2A issue to my way of thinking. It’s somebody else’s gun. It’s somebody else’s range. It sounds like customers are disregarding the rules, making the range unsafe----that’s the issue that needs addressing. Training is all well and good, but for a new shooter just getting their feet wet, or a foreign guest unfamiliar with shooting, the knowledge of safe operation is what’s necessary. Immersive training like perfecting shooting the \*El Presidente, \* not so much unless maybe you expect them to disassemble and reassemble a 1911 while blindfolded. I think most ranges wouldn’t allow that. anyway. My son works for foreign professional athletes who love competing is large US cities where they can rent gun$ and $hoot when they aren’t training or competing. He’ll go with them and make sure they are playing safe. I guess it all comes down to what you guys mean by _training._ ---
**Author:** ![Larry130](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/larry130/32/38689_2.png) [@Larry130](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Larry130)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2024, 1:22pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/should-people-off-the-street-be-given-minimal-firearm-training-and-cut-loose-on-a-range/107879/64 "2024-09-24T13:22:31Z")
Not too costly when weighed against the fallout of a fatal shooting. The RSO should be viewed as an investment. Newbies won’t return if they don’t feel safe, and negative publicity is a killer in its own right. ---
**Author:** ![Mike164](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/mike164/32/52494_2.png) [@Mike164](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Mike164)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2024, 5:49pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/should-people-off-the-street-be-given-minimal-firearm-training-and-cut-loose-on-a-range/107879/65 "2024-09-24T17:49:47Z")
I’ve thought about this a little bit, OK, So we’re talking about the range renting a firearm to someone of unknown skills and experience and turning them loose. So let’s change the script a bit, your neighbor knocks on your door, a slight built Gen-Z guy, salmon button down and Bermuda shorts. He just moved in next door. Seems like a nice enough guy, drives a BMW, has a Barbie wife and a pug dog in the backyard. He points to the area between your houses and says “See those two trees? I’m going to trim that one and cut that one down, can I use you chain saw…?”. What do you do? Hand him the Stihl and the gas can? Take him to the shed and show him how to start and run the saw? Maybe even give him the gloves and glasses? OR do you say “Heck No Brother, you ain’t touchin my saw!”? Same thing on a range with a gun. Do you teach how to handle the gun, do you give him the ears and glasses? OR do you send him away because he’s ignorant? Notice, no Government intervention involved. ---
**Author:** ![BruceE](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/brucee/32/77365_2.png) [@BruceE](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/BruceE)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2024, 7:23pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/should-people-off-the-street-be-given-minimal-firearm-training-and-cut-loose-on-a-range/107879/66 "2024-09-24T19:23:56Z")
> [@Mike164](#): > > What do you do? Hand him the Stihl and the gas can? I don’t loan out my power tools (or my weapons) out to anyone. The liability of a possible malfunction of the equipment or the user is too great. I made that mistake one time and loaned my .303 to my ex-brother-in-law to go hunting. He said his .270 was “in the shop”. So he gets out to his lease and climbs up in his tree mounted deer stand. He takes a bead on a doe, pulls the trigger and takes the doe down with a clean shot. He also dislocated his shoulder and broke his collar bone because my old .303 kicks alot harder than his .270. He drops the rifle to the ground and tries to climb down one handed with his backpack over his left shoulder, loses his grip and falls to the ground, landing on his right side, on top of the rifle, breaking three ribs. He grabs up his pack and the rifle, and hikes 2 miles out of the woods to his truck and drives to the hospital. His entire family, my Wife included, blamed me for his injuries because it was my rifle and I didn’t “warn him strongly enough about the recoil.” Here’s the kicker though. He was, at that time, a cop with local PD, and an instructor at their small arms training facility. He knew what he was getting into when he decided he wanted to shoot an old military rifle. So, no more loaning out anything, ever. ---
**Author:** ![John292](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/john292/32/22214_2.png) [@John292](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/John292)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2024, 10:31pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/should-people-off-the-street-be-given-minimal-firearm-training-and-cut-loose-on-a-range/107879/67 "2024-09-24T22:31:17Z")
Hmmmm…Barbie wife wanted a Trophy Husband, but it sounds like she got a participation trophy instead. 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Mike164](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/mike164/32/52494_2.png) [@Mike164](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Mike164)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2024, 11:18pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/should-people-off-the-street-be-given-minimal-firearm-training-and-cut-loose-on-a-range/107879/68 "2024-09-24T23:18:43Z")
OMG, Post of the DAY. Perfect!!! ---
**Author:** ![Karacal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/karacal/32/146742_2.png) [@Karacal](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Karacal)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2024, 11:26pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/should-people-off-the-street-be-given-minimal-firearm-training-and-cut-loose-on-a-range/107879/69 "2024-09-24T23:26:41Z")
Show his wife how to use the chainsaw. ![IMG_1806](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/uploads/dd_dev/original/3X/d/8/d83701fac52b8e1ac3bbd62c19e5e5865434cf7d.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Zavier\_D](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/zavier_d/32/13235_2.png) [@Zavier\_D](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Zavier_D)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2024, 12:26pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/should-people-off-the-street-be-given-minimal-firearm-training-and-cut-loose-on-a-range/107879/70 "2024-09-25T12:26:01Z")
D\*mn it @John292 and @Karacal. What did I say about making funnies while I am reading a serious post. Liquids being forcibly expelled from my nose hurts 🤕. ROFLCOPTER 🚁 and HAHAHAmbulance 🚑 have been dispatched to my location. Peace 🕊 and ✌ ---
**Author:** ![Robert1246](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/robert1246/32/39522_2.png) [@Robert1246](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Robert1246)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2024, 1:47pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/should-people-off-the-street-be-given-minimal-firearm-training-and-cut-loose-on-a-range/107879/71 "2024-09-26T13:47:12Z")
_I fail to see the humor._ 🤣😆🤭😹😂😜😝🙊 ---
**Author:** ![Jim80](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Jim80](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Jim80)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2024, 4:25pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/should-people-off-the-street-be-given-minimal-firearm-training-and-cut-loose-on-a-range/107879/72 "2024-09-26T16:25:04Z")
He didn’t take it to a range and put a few rounds through it to check the sights/scope first? If I borrowed a rifle from someone, I’m going to put at least 3-5 rounds through it before I take aim at an animal with it. Even if I grabbed one of my own rifles, I’d put a few rounds through it before going on a hunt. ---
**Author:** ![BruceE](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/brucee/32/77365_2.png) [@BruceE](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/BruceE)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2024, 4:33pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/should-people-off-the-street-be-given-minimal-firearm-training-and-cut-loose-on-a-range/107879/73 "2024-09-26T16:33:01Z")
> [@Jim80](#): > > He didn’t take it to a range and put a few rounds through it to check the sights/scope first? I agree he should have, but he didn’t. I have never been in a situation where I need to borrow a firearm from anyone for any reason, but if I ever need to, I will send a few rounds down range first just to ensure the darn thing works. ---
**Author:** ![Mike164](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/mike164/32/52494_2.png) [@Mike164](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Mike164)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2024, 4:35pm UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/should-people-off-the-street-be-given-minimal-firearm-training-and-cut-loose-on-a-range/107879/74 "2024-09-26T16:35:25Z")
I’m not sure I’d be comfortable borrowing a firearm or lending a fire arm for that matter. ---
**Author:** ![Don102](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex015/user_avatar/community.usconcealedcarry.com/don102/32/165939_2.png) [@Don102](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/u/Don102)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2024, 1:16am UTC](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/should-people-off-the-street-be-given-minimal-firearm-training-and-cut-loose-on-a-range/107879/75 "2024-09-27T01:16:52Z")
OK… IF (BIG IF) One of YOU Folk’s wanted/Needed to borrow a spare AR/Weatherby etc. YES! (Zero hesitation). But that’s as far as I’d go. You need a replacement/ borrowed weapon? go buy one/ RENT ONE. Another lesson (this Topic) learned without any pain for MOI ! Thank you [Previous page](https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/should-people-off-the-street-be-given-minimal-firearm-training-and-cut-loose-on-a-range/107879.md?page=3)