wasn’t sure where this fit in. but though it was important
Not until our gun debates become nonpartisan will we be able to make any progress toward saving lives do to gun violence. I don’t think murder is a political issue and is nonpartisan. When we make it political we are accepting that it is not that big of an issue to do something about and are passing the blame back and forth.
Unfortunately “we” here don’t get to choose whether or not certain politicians will use it as an excuse to further infringe on our Rights and Liberties while simultaneously making everybody less safe. So long as some people and some politicians have additional control over The People as their goal, well, hopefully other people don’t want that and boom, it’s partisan
I am not saying we shouldn’t be political I am saying “we” shouldn’t make our argument political because our politicians won’t or can’t back us up. All they want is votes. Logic doesn’t enter the picture. Deceit does. “We” know our cause is just and politicians can stand for or against “our” cause but I think our cause is too important to put in someone else’s hands. But that brings me full circle as to what to do about the politicians against our cause and I think we should point out their hate(for lack of a better word) and let our true feelings about saving lives be heard. They would probably be more open minded to our cause if they thought they could get our votes. Why they are open minded to anti gun votes is because there are more of them. Another reason not to make it political.
Our representative based government kind of requires it, though. We don’t vote directly as a whole on everything.
I think I might get you Robert1246.
Using honey instead of vinegar. Trying not to turn off others, remaining neutral politically per se. To try to have someone’s ear, separate from other social emotionally laden topics. Not adding fuel to the fire, not joining or starting a fight.
Heard someone say once, to say, “Yes, I used to feel that way once myself, but this happened and it changed me”, using “I” statements.
You said it better than I could. I think when we get political about it we get emotional and it clouds our rational thinking.
THIS You are 100% correct.
There is no place in politics for emotion. I get more motivated when our Constitutional rights are being infringed, but that is not emotional. Emotions do not serve one well when logic and reason are needed.
Unfortunately, I think you’ll find politics is nothing but mass emotional manipulation.
That may be, but “we get emotional” does nothing for fighting for our rights. Arguing for one’s rights based on one’s “emotions” is a losing position. Therefore, I use logic and reason. The Left does try to use emotional ploys as they do not have any facts to debate with.
You can’t win an emotional argument with logic and reason.
Believe me, I wish you could. But I don’t think I’ve ever seen some frothing-at-the-mouth anti-2A activist gasp for air and say “You have presented a sound rational argument and I will now concede defeat.”
(Not to defend the anti-2A folks, but it’s pretty easy to get emotional over something like a room full of dead Kindergarten children.)
I totally agree with you, in that I think we have facts and reason on our side. I’ve simply seen no empirical evidence that logic and reason play any role in the anti-2A lobby.
Very true, but my getting emotional will not win it, either. I would have PM’d you on these last few posts, but you do not have that active.
This is also true.
In fact, I would direct this to our anti-2A counterparts. Instead of yelling at me, try making a reasoned argument. I’m not saying I’ll go along with it, but at least I’ll listen. I don’t listen to screamers.
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As an active member of several or more rights groups, I talk to numerous people, including our government representatives. I agree, there are some that will listen, but I have had some literally scream in my face at the top of their lungs - another reason I do not get emotional.