What do you call a verified complaint?
There are complaints that are verified as existing, but are they truly a complaint of any wrong doing.
If all it takes is three complaints, you will have many officers set up to have complaints, and in some cases a ‘he said / he said’ situation is created.
Be careful of the standards you wish to establish.
I wanted to strangle that cop. It was obviously not racism,
that cop was a sadist and police brutality in various degrees
are common here in Corrupticut too,where the mayor has
ceded his control of the police to their Union.When
that happens the cops only take care of each other
-the citizens cower in fear when they appear.
Fakebook, aka Facebook
Speaking does not even suggest breathing. Don’t confuse the two. This guy’s breathing ability was taken away from him. The questions just keep trickling in. That cop has a poor track record, and what were the other cops doing during their encounter? Just playing along? Floyd didn’t appear too threatening when on the ground.
If your airway is blocked, you can’t talk. That’s why responders are taught not to use direct intervention when someone is coughing or saying they can’t breathe. Instead, we’re taught to let them cough. When they stop coughing or talking, that’s when they need assistance.
I’m not making excuses for anyone in this situation or denying what we all saw on video, I’m just clarifying the issue of talking and choking.
For those with medical knowledge… breathing enough to survive doesn’t seem to be binary (you CAN or you CAN’T). At what threshold do you still have air passage, but it is not sufficient to sustain life? If you pass that threshold can you still talk?
A slight twist. While the video was disgusting, there are of course more details emerging.
Now, the twist.
Why were there no protests, no outrage, no looting over the death of Tony Timpa, who died the same way as George Floyd, in handcuffs with a police officer’s knee on his back and neck. The officers even joked and said they hoped they had not killed him.
Now, why was Tony not a major headline, not splattered across the media and inflamed into a mass of lawlessness?
Tony was white.
The sad thing is, race should not play a part. Neither of them should have died, and what was done was unacceptable, but the media inflame the people, and the people are far too easily misled.
How many have you heard claim it is ‘black men’ being killed by police, when the data shows more white people are killed by police.
Why do we stand idle and allow our so called leaders, those we have elected to office as Mayors, Governors, to refuse to LEAD… and instead appease and placate and pander to.
We still do not have all the information in the George Floyd case, and now they are increasing the charges, which might make it even more difficult to obtain a conviction, and we still have the media calling looters ‘peaceful protesters’… and inflaming the riots and violence. They attempt to justify it, by saying they are ‘upset’… and interestingly, that was the poor excuse for violence in 1992 in LA… ‘They are Frustrated’.
If you even question if you would be one of the rioters, you should sit down, and do some deep and serious contemplation, consider the rule of law, consider what you excuse and justify, and how it is justice to loot, or to attack people who have done nothing except live their lives… the small business owner whose business is burned to the ground, or the one who is almost killed by the ‘peaceful protester’ who is upset over someone being killed… so why not kill others out of anger.
The left is inflaming, they are seeking violence, and if the police and our political leaders do not lead, do not restore order, and the rule of law, we may find ourselves in far more danger, as the cities collapse.
I try to avoid discussion about race, but I recently closed the door on social media. I realized my feed was little more than white people trying to prove they understand black people. They don’t. If they did, they wouldn’t be so desperate to talk about it. You know who isn’t posting stuff like that? My black friends. They’re still taking about family news, jobs, etc. Normal stuff.
You know who else is trying to prove they understand black people? Companies. Every company out there is putting out press statements, and they’re all written in this bizarre, distant 3rd person, like “we’re united with those black people.” It’s like they all hired PR reps who have never met a black person.
Sorry, I know I’m going off on a tangent. It’s just really irritating to me. I don’t believe the press, they’re trying to sell ads. I don’t believe social media, they’re trying to sell themselves. I’m not afraid of police. I’m not afraid of protesters. I’m not afraid of diversity and freedom. I’m not afraid of armed black men, we probably shoot at the same ranges. I don’t need to prove myself to anyone on Facebook, and I don’t trust the people who do.
Candace Owens makes a pretty good argument about race, the protesting, riots and political pandering. Confession: I DO NOT support George Floyd and I refuse to see him as a martyr. But I hope his family receives justice. | By Candace Owens | Facebook
“Lookup “guys protect tobacco store”, there is a clip on Youtube. I am not sure what they were prepared to do if a mob were to come their way.”
They were prepared to do what ever it took to protect the business. Did anyone vandalize the business? No.
Not one of those cowards wanted to be the first to take two to the chest.
Sometimes, a show of force is all it takes to persuade criminals to choose another victim.
It is more like police preying on a community that few care about when you talk about 2nd amendment organizations as per usual. .
I will let this go after this as it apparently offended you.
I am not discussing race, except to state race should play no part and to point out the media lies and presents their own narrative. The media narrative is that the police are killing black people, when that is not the truth, and we are seeing lawlessness in the streets, and by this point, very little actual protest of what happened, and it is sad that the people allow the media to drive them… particularly by race, when it is something that happens to all races, and should not happen.
To state
does display a form of racism, as if everyone who makes a comment or has an opinion is worthless as they are not in a specific pair of shoes. You seem to think white people are far more concerned with trying to prove something (and I will concede that may in fact be more true than it should be).
You may be from the North, and do NOT understand Southern people, or you may be from the South and do NOT understand those from California… regardless of color.
That has nothing to do with any issue being discussed, unless you intend to turn it into race and only race.
I asked this once before in a different topic and about a different grouping,… but…
Do we all have Constitutionally guaranteed rights? If so, why is race an issue?
Do we all want to be treated with respect? Did we not learn the golden rule… treat others as you would like them to treat you.
I said nothing about being afraid of anyone, black, Hispanic, Asian, and do not fear any of them being armed. I do have a problem with those who commit crimes, and that is not limited to only one racial group.
Why did the media and the protesters decide to make an issue of this specific person, when we should be concerned with unacceptable behavior on the part of those few law enforcement personnel who act bad, who violate the law, who violate department policy or the departments who need improved training.
The fact the originating comment and topic pointed to the fact that the video that was shown was disgusting and it was, while ignoring the facts of the situation overall, meaning that it is not just black people being attacked by police, and we do not know all the details of what happened, and there is evidence that may actually support the officer, though that is difficult to grasp after seeing the edited video that the media has shown.
Remember, 1992, Rodney King, the video the media showed was edited and presented only part of the story.
Have a good day, and you might consider not taking everything stated as a personal attack.
There is a BIG difference between protesting and Looting/destruction of private property! The looters could care less about George Floyd. It just gives them a reason to destroy and steal. If I was a store owner I would stay inside my store. If looters started coming thru the windows then I would defend my livelihood in any way possible!
Thank you, but I wasn’t offended by anyone here. I just let some of the headlines and social media feeds get under my skin. But one nice thing about social media is that it can be turned off, so that’s what I’ve done.
What I can agree with is that there are far too many officers escaping with egregious actions to people of all backgrounds. Emotions aside, data just doesn’t support the extreme racist condition most protestors are claiming. Information does support the notion that police are trending to a state of masters of liberty. I don’t believe anyone should try to dilute the fact that police do, at times, inflict crime upon a certain race, but the pill I have the most difficult time swallowing is why Americans aren’t united (on the scale I believe they should be) to protest crime by law enforcement altogether.
Recently, I observed a recording of a white woman, kneeling and apologizing for her “white privilege” as instructed to do so by the man taking the video, for the sake of slavery, for the sake of all black people. I haven’t been this disturbed by a trend in all my life. I can’t even formulate the words. Just buy her a leash and a chew toy, I suppose.
What claims by the protesters ARE supported? That people of certain skin color are privileged and complicit in some ongoing crimes? That the police should be abolished? That the POTUS is the devil?
I understand protest against what happened in Minneapolis. I don’t understand the protest “against America”, that’s pointless, idiotic. Already multiple people got murdered, including African-Americans, by the criminal and hateful element in these protests. Time to go home, and rethink your actions and the company you keep!
I’d like to see Americans united to protest crime in general. The biggest item, without a doubt, is Chicago. Then we can talk about gangs in other cities, and crime imported across our Southern border. Then about drugs and sex trafficking. If we put things in scale, against the mountain of Chicago, police crimes will be a tiny dot.
I think this one video is a prank. What’s not fake news though is similar practice in China and Cambodia during red terror. People were forced to kneel, renounce their parents, apologize for their counter-revolutionary ways -and sometimes, executed on the spot. I expect this to become a trend. My employer already issued a public statement that leans in this direction, as had many retailers, TV stations, etc. virtue signallers.
One-off videos or stories don’t concern me too much. In any group of 10 or more, there’s at least 1 nutjob. I know the US population includes crazies, racists, criminals, and people with their heads so far up their social media that they never see sunlight.
But this other issue of companies and organizations pushing to further polarize our society really bothers me. I’ve seen people bullied and even fired over silly differences of opinion. And it’s applauded. That has to stop. At it’s core, freedom comes from the people, and if the people decide that the loudest voices get to dictate what everyone else is allowed to think or say, then we’re doomed.
You cannot even stay out of political discourse at work -the internal chat is full of “silence is violence” nonsense. Are they going to have us all pledge allegiance to BLM or be fired next?
I can most assuredly understand how they can get under your skin, and there are times we MUST turn them off or we are doomed to have high blood pressure.
I just hate that the media drive a narrative and instigate and inflame, and the people follow blindly along, without looking beyond the current headline.
The so called leaders who drop to their knees in submission to the looters, lawless rioters even the peaceful protesters… … when they need to drop to their knees to pray… for guidance and to repent… (Not one who should be speaking of that as I am far from perfect… but the leadership should be praying.)
The officer on his neck was wrong. I haven’t heard anyone defend him.
He had previous offenses that he could have been fired for, why wasn’t he? I have seen for years that anybody on the taxpayer dole is afforded extra privilege when they do wrong. In Illinois where I live we elected a known tax cheat. Its not just the blue line, it is every facet of " Public Servant" like that suddenly makes you a saint.
The left with the leftist media have totally blown this out off proportion. If you took all of the black deaths, mostly at the hands of black men, and looked at just the wrongful deaths by police. It would be just a statistical anomaly. This is just an escalation of an organized attack on President Trump. If the black Community figures out that Democratic policies keep them poor and uneducated and on the Democratic Plantation, they will leave . Look at the walk away movement has to say.
Now finally. Look who has profited on racial strife. And yes it is about money and power, not equality. I have not seen a single black neighborhood improve under Democrat leadership. Billions of dollars and nothing. Yet these congressman, senators and community organizers always seem to get richer while the people they represent get poorer. In the 1800’s there was a term for the slave who got to sleep in his masters house, eat better, better clothes. All in exchange for keeping the field hands in line. Thats what I see on the left. Am I Wrong?