From what I’ve seen about this officer he has had a history of doing these type of thing in the past. And that he should not have gotten the job. And today I also saw a report the officer that had his knee of Mr. Floyds neck has been arrested. Now we just have to wait and see what come out of ALL OF THE INVESTIGATIONS from the DOJ, FBI, and the local ones.
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Autopsy is out,
An autopsy by the Hennepin County Medical Examiner “revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation,”
“Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease,” the report states. “The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death.”
https://community.usconcealedcarry.com/t/offended-anyone/27230/19
You think it’s ugly now, what till the prior cop gets off.
Cheers,
Craig6
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I know a lot of things could have been done to prevent the death. Simply putting him in handcuffs and standing him up would have solved everything, and that’s what they were trained to do. I don’t blame the police here I blame the individuals wearing a police uniform who became judge jury and executioner.
I agree I would have been part of the protest had it happened here, the riots not so much. They hurt themselves for worst than anyone else once the looting started. Now the media and Politicians are going to be focused on the damage. Trump is already calling them thugs and said looting starts and the shooting starts. So rather than keeping the focus on Mr. Floyd everyone is now focusing on the worst part of it.
Reports of people shooting guns in the air, business being burned down, neighborhoods being destroyed(although I don’t know what happened there), guys running down the street with stolen property, police station set on fire. Thats what will be the focus after this is over, and those cops will get their day in court, but for weeks it will nothing but the aftermath, oh and who’s to blame. They lost the chance at holding the narrative and getting real change, forced change often doesn’t favor the people that forced it. New laws maybe coming but they will be against and not for the protestors.
As for businesses, I have to wonder if there was anything they could have done to prevent damage to their individual shops. I wonder if anyone has ever studied it and found if a sign saying they support the protest or having armed personnel out front, anything that would at least save some businesses.
I’m trying to stay objective.
We have multiple video’s of the officer kneeling on the mans head/neck
Where are the video’s of the minutes before the man being on the ground?
In general you don’t get taken to the ground if you are compliant.
The man is 6’6" and well north of 250 lbs
The fact that he is on the ground and the officers badge is cattywampus leads me to believe there was a struggle.
The 911 caller stated the man was intoxicated and it was mentioned in the coroner’s report, the tox screen will prove interesting.
So if I’m the officer dealing with a 6’-6" intoxicated man that I finally get to the ground I don’t want him getting up again.
Now there is a crowd forming …
See how fast that rabbit hole opens up?
Cheers,
Craig6
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I don’t vouch for the credibility of the source(s). The article (taken/quoted from CNN) goes over some details of the event. The video listed below is cut where some questions could have been answered. Specifically, what happened between trying to get him in the police vehicle and the incident with the knee on the neck. You can see the officers escort the man to the cruiser at the end of the video on the upper left corner of the screen:
Read: Murder complaint tells what led to George Floyd’s death
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Even though there isnt video (yet), I am fairly certain that he resisted to some degree or another. I don’t have an issue with the cops getting him to the ground.
The problem is continuing to apply pain/pressure long after what appears to be compliance by Floyd. In the 10min video, he is 100% slack (and likely dead) for about 6 of those minutes. He is not fighting back, but the officer in question is continuing to apply pain/pressure on the back of his neck.
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This is a bit long winded but I have thought about it for days now.
We can all have opinions and I am sure we do. Normally it is better if we wait till a trial starts and we hear evidence. But still we develop ideas from what we see. WE also develop ideas about a person from looking at their past and that too can be misleading.
Mr. Floyd’s death is a tragedy and should never have happened. The reaction to it has been brewing for a very long time. Part of the problem is the division politically in this country. One side almost has to try and out do the other in creating a boogieman to put themselves in a position of power. Unfortunately the latest move is to declare the USA in general raciest. Even if someone or a community has not participated in racism they can be assigned guilt simply because their ancestors are assumed to be part of the problem. While this may have no basis in fact it does gain traction with some that feel oppressed and that dries the grass making it ready for the brush fire. When something like the George Floyd death happens the oppressed assume their fears are true and “all” police and maybe “all” people that don’t feel oppressed are responsible. So marches are proposed to put vision and voice to the fears and concerns of those feeling targeted.
In and of itself these marches may not be a bad thing, they are a right much like the second amendment is a right. However they present an opportunity for others interested in destruction and looting with a shield to do into the night and put them into a position to accomplish their goals without fear of apprehension. Once this stage takes place all moral authority for the protest vanishes and a new problem starts to form. One will be the aftermath for the people that indeed are suffering from oppression through poverty. They will have lost businesses and income that would have helped them recover in the after math. Because looting will not save them from the financial downfall their city will suffer. And many of the looters are not part of the oppressed in the first place, second will be the reaction for the non participants in this whole mess. Those that do not equate a bad action by a few to be held against a whole group or race and those that will prepare for the worst if such protests come in their direction.
Some of those preparing are doing so in response to the threat they saw on TV, much like they saw the death of Mr. Floyd, of an Antifa type looter and burner yelling into the camera, and all of you in the Suburbs need to know we are coming for you and to your door next. Where I live that will be a very different outcome from what happened in Minneapolis because everyone I know in this area is armed. And they are buying ammo faster than I can get to the store. Yes there are people living in fear but there are different responses to that fear. People where I live are fortifying their places of residence and work. If the police abandon the populace here people look like they are getting ready to fight back. That too is frightening.
I also remember the Korean Store owners defending their neighborhood and stores in LA. Theirs were the only ones spared. More or less they were not held accountable and that was in California.
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While you are correct based on the information at the time, there is new information. Yes, the officer should be charged, perhaps the other three also, but the coroner’s report is being reported that he did not die from the officer’s knee on his neck.
As with everything, more information will come out sooner or later but for now, it is what we have.
Oh, and it all ceased being about George Floyd or anyone else and became nothing but LAWLESSNESS.
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I’ve seen the video, the what…8 minute one. It was a hard pill to swallow, but it is obvious there are reservations about putting your body weight into your knee that is pushed into a cuffed, unconscious man for what seems to be so far beyond what was necessary.
As to your last statement, I’d agree.
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I have seen the video also. I think the officers should be charged but if the coroner’s report does not show the officer’s actions led to his death, it will damage any case against the officer.
We can not let a video inflame and ignore all of the evidence. You can not convict on one piece of evidence.
Whether they obtain a manslaughter conviction or not, the officer is most assuredly finished as a law enforcement officer (and based on information, should have been finished long ago), and there is still civil suits.
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I don’t promote convicting anyone without due process, only that they face charges because of exactly what you’ve stated.
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The plot thickens: the suspect on the ground who died and the officer arrested for murder knew each other. They were both guards at a Minneapolis club. I apologize that I don’t have the link handy, but the article was published yesterday. I wonder if there’s more to the story.
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The trial is going to be a $*show. The governor is on TV calling him a murderer. Millions of dollars in damage. Due process is out the window. What a mess.
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With the ‘mob’ justice in the streets it does look like a fair trial will be impossible, which is a problem, as the officer does appear, at least based on what we know, to need to be convicted at least of Manslaughter, but if he is, it is open to appeal due to the politics and media of the case.
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I’ll wait to see actual footage of what happened (body cams, business CCTV, etc…) not just a cell phone picture, before I join the hanging. Lets not paint all cops bad because of a few. Being gun owners we get painted with the same brush from the media and the left. I wouldn’t do it to others. Remember, these men and women put their lives on the line every single day for total strangers, every single day with no thanks. The media, politicians and us citizens attack them everyday. when everyone’s running out, the cops are running in, for total strangers. We should be on our knee’s thanking God every day that they do what they do. I’ll wait for more info.
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My question is…
Now that the autopsy results were released (albeit the Lefty Media isn’t showing it) and it was found that NO STRANGULATION OR ASPHYXIATION was found…and that Floyd died from “severe long term heart and ventricle damage most likely due to long term illicit drug use” (Crack Cocain)…it was also found that at the time of his death, he had a high level of cocain in his blood system.
This exonerates the Officer(s) of strangulation with his knee in the criminals neck…and for someone so hyped up on drugs…it is procedure to restrain the suspect with force…to not only protect the Officers from what he might do next…but to also protect him from himself!
With this solid evidence refuting the lie once again by the race baiters…(Like “Hands Up…Don’t Shoot” and the 10 year old photos pushed of Trayvon Martin)…what is your stance NOW against these Officers, who while doing their job have had their lives completely destroyed…by a LIE!
And the multiple cities who have had major destruction caused by this lie…remember, it is you and I whose tax dollars will be taken to pay for this destruction…and NOTHING will be done to those who caused and did it!
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The destruction to communities, on all levels, has been criminal. I couldn’t possibly agree with any of it. Civil unrest is a catalyst in itself, left alone, explodes into rioting. This is what happened in Minneapolis; the police felt no other option than to retreat and for days, allowed that catalyst to reach it’s potential and fuel the flames. Simply because there are fingers to point, doesn’t excuse the damage produced by criminal activity.
Simply calling this a lie by race baiters doesn’t rest well with me. I observed the full video of what transpired and I was unequivocally appalled by, not only the officer directly involved, but by the officers who were indirectly involved. While reports indicate there were underlying issues, I can’t allow it to persuade the idea that he would have lived longer, had he not been treated in that manner. The other officers, observing the situation and doing nothing to stop it, should be held accountable too.
Lets not forget that we are human. I could think of a truck load of scenarios that would have made the resulting protests and rioting nonexistent, none of which excuses the actions of the officers involved. Since we are human, we’re prone to having biases and for some, just plain evil intentions; no matter the race, creed or religion. I continue to stand firm in my belief that a man is dead, who would have otherwise still been alive. This happens to all walks of life and I will never be satisfied with those types of actions just because there were underlying health issues.
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I dont know that I would go so far as to say it “exonerates” the officers. I have not seen anyone who is familiar with restraint techniques (LEO, martial artists like Jui-Jitsu, Judo, etc) say putting a knee on the back of someones neck is a safe way to restrain someone. And then there is the fact that for 6+ mins they had their knee on the neck of someone who was no longer struggling (unconscious and then dead) and no one ever checked on him.
That man was in their custody and they are responsible for him. I know LEO has an almost impossible task (especially today), but LEO lack of empathy (to be clear, by the few, not the many) is what causes a lot of the tension that ends up getting released by burning down your neighborhood. Just judging by the video, those officers didnt care not one bit about that man’s condition.
The primary officer is charged with 3rd degree murder which (paraphrased) is they did something dangerous and it unintentionally resulted in someone’s death. The dangerous part seems covered (knee on back of neck) the key will be the Medical Examiner’s report (the family is already getting a 3rd party, we can guess that outcome) and how it is presented at trial as to whether his death was caused by the dangerous act.
I have a strong suspicion that the murder charge will not stick (he will get some lesser charge), and we’re going to end up in another round of rioting.
I would be mad enough if it was just our tax dollars. Many, many businesses were uninsured or under-insured for this and will never recover. These rioters are destroying neighborhoods that literally cant afford that kind of damage. They are helping to reinforce that endless cycle of poverty in some of these neighborhoods.
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As always…if the Officer is found to be not guilty of any of the charges and is acquitted…the rioting will be assured to start all over. And with a Republican run administration, it is a may or may not recharge the Officer under Federal law…as the Democrat AG did in the acquitted Police in the Rodney King lie (very extremely edited video by media to inflame and race bait the incident)…but then refused to do in the OJ Simpson murders.
If you believe this is NOT about race baiting…do you really think there would be this much hoopla if the Officer was Black and the dead perp was White?
NONE OF US WOULD EVEN KNOW IT HAPPENED IF THAT WAS THE CASE!
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My personal opinion when looting/intentional destruction of property starts, you are no longer demonstrating, you are rioting.
No matter how Mr. Floyd died, I don’t think he wouldn’t have wanted this type of reaction to his death based on what people have said about him. Protests? Yes. Destruction of property and people getting hurt? No.
I heard this phrase yesterday and it’s resonating with me: an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. 
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