National vs Local

I am all for doing great things by getting 2A rights to everyone on a National Level. Changing laws that help and protect all American rights. There is so much legislation and arguments about 2A rights.

My issue is why there is no mention about in our state and local areas that still restrict our right to carry.

What I mean if all the 2A restrictions were gone tomorrow on a National Level would all local city ordinance go away too. I know that there are few or less than many helping on the local level by changing the laws on where we can carry.

My own Community Center, Hospitals, Dr. Office, Schools, Gyms, and all Public places still have gun restrictions. These places are not private businesses and does not matter if you have a permit that you have optain and train for and have a background and fingerprint to get. They still choose the restrict your right to carry.

My State parks, National parks and All Colleges have restrictions but with a permit you can carry.

So to sum it all up, if all the National restrictions were gone, the local places can still restrict your right, so what is the point for all the changes in the Federal government if the state government can still restrict my right to carry.

This is night including Private business or practices.

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I ran the public safety department at a large hospital system, all of the 26 hospitals were private property, they are not owned by the public, so they all had the right to restrict firearms onto their property. All our clinics and doctor offices were also private property. All the gyms that I know of are also private property, They are in fact private properties, and you can be removed off those properties, I did it hundreds of times, I will not violate my private property rights to subject it to another right, I want my private property rights and my 2A rights. With that stated here are two thoughts:

First, my right to bear arms comes from God not the 2A.

And,
Before we talk about our rights, it really pisses me off that the very few carry the financial costs in that we pay for the other 80 million firearm owners who have never paid a dime to any gun rights organization(s) to fight in our corrupt courts when the National Democratic Socialist party attacks our 2A rights. If we can only be honest - even many here on this thread do not pay their share.

Imagine if the other 80 million join the fight? We would have Billions to fight the left - who by the way uses our taxes against us, - THAT IS EXACTLY WHY WE WILL LOSE OUR 2A RIGHTS ONE DAY!!! And the reason why God Himself grants me the authority to bear arms, not any State.

A military vet - my oath of enlistment DOES NOT EXPIRE.

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Amen to that brother. Thank you for your service. I am to a veteran. My oath of enlistment has not expired either and it still stands today.

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Need to take it up with your city/county/state.

Schools are the only places on that list that may be illegal in my state.

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For those of us in good states, it’s a really huge deal.

For those in anti gun states, it might make less of a difference, I suppose.

What particular national gun laws going away are you referring to that wouldn’t help you out?

National laws are virtually never (so far…) about places that are off limits to carry, so I’m wondering what federal laws you are looking at here

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It’s both; especially when you factor in the Judicial branch as the “national” level, or at least multi-state in the case of the Circuit courts. Living in CA, our biggest hurdle has always been the courts, especially the 9th Circuit, and all the idiots appointed to it by Dem presidents. They’re activists who don’t care about the Constitution or the SCOTUS and will continue using their weasel logic to delay everything as long as possible and then rule according to their political beliefs. Trump and McConnell made some good improvements appointing justices to the 9th Circuit. Then Biden & Schumer pretty much erased all of that.

If we had a 9th Circuit that respected the Constitution and the guidance coming from SCOTUS, CA would be a very different state wrt the 2nd A.

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It’s the same concern with our National Immigration Law that some Blue Sanctuary Cities and States don’t want to obey.

The Supreme Court of the USA needs to assert our Constitution as the Law of the Land to be obeyed and not selectively be ignored, and end all this :ox: :poop:.

We just have to wait and see. But, some court cases being won defending our rights may help too.

If this legislation gets approved, and adopted it may be the crux of your defense case for having our rights violated.
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100% agree! Even some of my own family members are quick to say that the “solution” is to move to a different state. That’s not going to stop the absurd laws from spreading. They need to be crushed in the courts so Bloomberg and others can’t spread them to other states or even in Congress. Dementia Joe managed to occupy the WH with a Dem majority in Congress. And even Rep members of Congress have caved in the past so a slim majority isn’t exactly a security blanket. Anti-2A laws can spread easily if not crushed in the courts immediately after they’re enacted.

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The Supremacy Clause of the [U.S. Constitution: “requires state and local actors to comply with the U.S. Constitution.”

That should end state and local restrictions on our (2A) Second Amendment rights.

That should be the crux of the NCCR Act bill.

The National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act bill should shutdown all arguments, and exceptions to the (2A) Second Amendment by asserting the Supremacy Clause of the U.S. Constitution over any restrictions placed on it by subordinate jurisdictions.

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If the 2nd amendment was or is half important as the 1st amendment then we do not need to jump through so many hoops and add laws or change laws for the 2nd amendment to be admissable in local or state or federal.

Or maybe we need to restrict or put more restrictions on the 1st amendment and then people will realize that it’s wrong to have any restrictions when it comes to the 2nd amendment.

Also if you are private business and you’re open up to the public, You have an obligation to make your business open up to everyone race, color, religion, ethical background, and for those that want to uphold our 2nd amendment constitutional right…

Does the 3rd, 4th, 5th and other amendments in our Bill of Rights go through this much scrutinizing as the 2nd amendment…

I wonder if the right to bear arm was the 1st amendment we wouldn’t be going through this but since it is on the second on the list. But it might as well be on the bottom of the Bill of Rights…

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Here’s the problem they should, but they don’t. Because of all the legal BS that goes on it will be challenged by some anti gun group.

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Unfortunately, I think it’s the same people who value the 2nd who also value the 1st. And it’s the people who want restrictions on the 2nd that closed churches during COVID, restricted what people say on social media, shut down small businesses because they don’t like what the owner said, support cancel culture, and if you don’t like them shutting down your free speech, they call you a fascist.

Ultimately, the Constitution should stand on its own and SCOTUS has the ultimate responsibility to protect it, followed by lower courts. I think that’s why Dems so aggressively go after installing activist judges and talk about packing the courts. They know they have to tear down the Judicial branch to get away with what they want.

Amen to that; 100% agree. I’m participating in lawful activity. And I even carry concealed so they won’t see it and wet their pants. And if it did have to come out of the holster at some point, it would likely be to the benefit of the business owner. But I’m participating in lawful activity and businesses are not allowed to discriminate when they open their doors to the public.

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Suggestions on how to accomplish that?

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So let them spin their wheels as usual. Big whoop. 2A and the supremacy of the U. S. Constitution should trump all else as unconditional, case closed :boom: gavel dropped!

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But it is what it is my friend. :crazy_face::stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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YES!

Influence every single person you know to contribute to a gun rights organization that fights in our courts!

Do you do that?

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Yes but it hasn’t worked yet.

What are our favorites? Gun owners of America (GOA) seems like shoe-in. And SAF / second amendment foundation? Any other can’t-miss ones?

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Those are the 2 best, in my opinion.

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USCCA

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I do USCCA, GOA, and Many small 2A organizations. I will never support NRA…

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